Did the officials screw up

[streaker]

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Said debate is largely pointless. We can tell whether the official was in the right position (the only one who appears to be arguing against that is streaker, as far as I can tell everyone else has said that he was in the right position), and we can tell that the official might plausibly have lost sight of the puck and thought it was frozen.

I won't continue to debate it since I've said my peace. But I will debate the positioning of the official. He was directly behind the net to call the Miami 2nd goal- and gave ample enough time to allow not one, but two pitchfork pokes at Hunwick's pad before it went in.

Similarly, he was at least ten feet away in the corner parallel to the goal line on the disallowed goal. It makes a difference since, if he would have skated forward toward the net or behind it, he would have been easily able to tell that neither the defense nor Knapp could locate the puck to either gain possession or cover it. That's the rub and it's clearly identifiable on video. I'd blow it dead too if I was that far away and shielded by a mass of scrambling bodies.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

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Similarly, he was at least ten feet away in the corner parallel to the goal line on the disallowed goal. It makes a difference since, if he would have skated forward toward the net or behind it, he would have been easily able to tell that neither the defense nor Knapp could locate the puck to either gain possession or cover it. That's the rub and it's clearly identifiable on video. I'd blow it dead too if I was that far away and shielded by a mass of scrambling bodies.

Why/how did he get there? Because the play came down around the net, forcing the ref to "retreat".

The penalty occured as the 2 players were at the side of the net. They came around the back of the net and the puck was passed/shot across the crease. While you might want to say the ref was "out of position", he was not there by his choice... it was how the play developed that forced him to where he was.

Also, the goalie clearly had the puck trapped under his pad. It wasn't until he rolled over that it became exposed (to the camera anyway) and was swatted at. Call it a quick whistle by an out of position ref if you want, but within the current rules, was there enough evidence to overturn the original call on the ice?

 

[chapmaja]

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Call it a quick whistle by an out of position ref if you want, but within the current rules, was there enough evidence to overturn the original call on the ice?

There was no way under the current rules that the play could have been overturned because the whistle had been blown. Yes it appeared there would have been enough evidence to overturn the call had the whistle not blown.

What concerns me is that there was not hustle to get into position by the referee after he retreated to the corner as the play came towards him. If you watch the replay you NEVER see the official move towards the net during the play. The lack of hustle to get into position to make the proper call is as concerning as the fact it was blown when the puck did not appear to be frozen.

 

[chapmaja]

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Here is another thing for the NCAA to consider. What is the current positioning of the officials on the ice under the 4 official system?

Maybe it is time to adjust the positioning of officials so you have more coverage in situations like this.

Here is my idea for new positioning under a 4 official system.

When the play is deep in the zone, the referee is on one side of the net while one of the linesman is on the other side. The second linesman is watching the blue-line on the opposite side of the ice from his fellow linesman while the second referee is opposite the first referee watching the play in the zone.

This would allow the linesman near the goal line to help the referee make decisions if the puck is frozen or not in situations like this.

This would be similar to what soccer has done where a 4 referee system is used.

 

[SECTION12]

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So basically these officials pretty much weren't very good and influenced the way the game was played. That was the impression I got from the announcers on the Michigan broadcast.

Key phrase here is 'Michigan announcers', the official blew the whistle before the puck went in the net, end of story.

 

[satyking]

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Let's clarify a couple things.

Second, there has been NO OFFICIAL WORD GIVEN as to why the whistle was blown. It has been SPECULATION that it was blown because he lost sight of the puck. There are other possible reasons why the whistle was blown that are at least plausible. The issue is not if the goal should have been counted, it shouldn't have. The question is did the official do the correct thing by blowing the play dead. That is still VERY MUCH up for DEBATE.

Finally, the issue that is left to be resolved is why the faceoff was not at the circle on the side of the ice where he lost sight of the puck, but was held in the Center Ice area.

The faceoff should have been in the Miami zone and it was moved (after a second review) out to center ice. Why?

If you watch the entire play you will see the high stick and the ref raise his arm indicating the call....so when the netminder had the puck under him the play was dead......

 

[skates]

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In the first OT of the Michigan Miami game Michigan appeared to score the GW goal, but the officials waved it off saying the whistle had blown prior to the puck entering the net.

That appeared to be the correct call according to the radio announcers who said the whistle had blown.

My question, and the question raised by Michigan's radio announcers is why was the whistle blown.

Miami was called for a high sticking penalty after the whistle.

What is the rule on a delayed penalty call? Is the whistle blown when the puck is touched by the offending team or is when the offending team controls the puck? The puck apparently was touched, but not controlled by Miami before Michigan knocked it in the net.

The radio announcers had not gotten an explanation on the call by the time they left the air after the game.

I'm not saying Michigan lost because of the officials, but that call could have been huge.

Michigan had chances to win the game and Miami made big stops and got some luck and sometimes the team that wins isn't the best team on the ide that day, but the luckiest.


For the record I could not watch because I don't get ESPNU or Comcast who had the local coverage in the AA area.

You are absolutely right.The referees gave the game to Miami. Michigan leaves this tourney knowing they won the game !! How does the official behind the play make this call... He could not see the puck even if it was right in front of the goalie. If you can make a call on a goal going through the net,like last year's Vermont game.You should be able to look at the blunder this official made. It won't matter, BC will defeat Miami (Ohio)

 

[chapmaja]

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If you watch the entire play you will see the high stick and the ref raise his arm indicating the call....so when the netminder had the puck under him the play was dead......

When is the puck frozen under the goalie? You certainly can't say it was based on the ESPNU broadcast.

 

[satyking]

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You are absolutely right.The referees gave the game to Miami. Michigan leaves this tourney knowing they won the game !! How does the official behind the play make this call... He could not see the puck even if it was right in front of the goalie. If you can make a call on a goal going through the net,like last year's Vermont game.You should be able to look at the blunder this official made. It won't matter, BC will defeat Miami (Ohio)

Grow up and look at what really happened then accept it, you must be out of kleenex by now

The puck just has to be controled for a short time and under him is controled just like a swipe of the D equals control

 

[chapmaja]

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Key phrase here is 'Michigan announcers', the official blew the whistle before the puck went in the net, end of story.

Have you read any of the posts in this thread? At NO POINT does anyone question if the whistle was blown before the puck entered the net. That IS NOT the issue.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I don't like either team and never once did I think the refs made the wrong call because of the delayed penalty.

 

[RedHawksFan10]

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Are we still really talking about this?

 

[Larch]

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Here is my idea for new positioning under a 4 official system.

When the play is deep in the zone, the referee is on one side of the net while one of the linesman is on the other side. The second linesman is watching the blue-line on the opposite side of the ice from his fellow linesman while the second referee is opposite the first referee watching the play in the zone.

This would allow the linesman near the goal line to help the referee make decisions if the puck is frozen or not in situations like this.

This would be similar to what soccer has done where a 4 referee system is used.

Now you are just getting asinine. The whole reason linesman are at each blue line is that they can cover their respective line for fast moving plays and watch offsides. If they move the linesman, you might be on here one day starting a thread as to why a Miami player wasn't called for offside and why was the linesman out of position and not on the far blue line to make the call.

I'm curious why you think you should get an official word of why the whistle was blown. Do you want an official word on each whistle. Where does it stop, and if that started every call made would be second-guessed by every fan. I believe you said you were an official in other sports, do you issue a press release for each disputed play in every game you do? I know you know this, but there is a human factor in everything we do and no matter how much you are paid or how good you are typically, there are going to be mistakes and not every call is going to go the same way. I have to agree with some of the others, time to move on. It sucks that it happened, but you aren't going to get an official reason and you probably will never know.

 

[chapmaja]

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Now you are just getting asinine. The whole reason linesman are at each blue line is that they can cover their respective line for fast moving plays and watch offsides. If they move the linesman, you might be on here one day starting a thread as to why a Miami player wasn't called for offside and why was the linesman out of position and not on the far blue line to make the call.

I'm curious why you think you should get an official word of why the whistle was blown. Do you want an official word on each whistle. Where does it stop, and if that started every call made would be second-guessed by every fan. I believe you said you were an official in other sports, do you issue a press release for each disputed play in every game you do? I know you know this, but there is a human factor in everything we do and no matter how much you are paid or how good you are typically, there are going to be mistakes and not every call is going to go the same way. I have to agree with some of the others, time to move on. It sucks that it happened, but you aren't going to get an official reason and you probably will never know.

I think anytime a whistle causes a goal not to be awarded when it should have been scored because of a error by the official there sure as heck should be an explanation of why the official f'ed up.

As for the lineman calling offside. I would be much less likely to compain about an offside call going against a team than a goal being disallowed (or being after a whistle). I would rather have a call made correctly that imapcts the actually scoring of a goal rather than an offside call which is much less likely to influence the game in the manner of which you speak. Even if an offside gets missed by an official it doesn't automatically impact the chances of a team scoring a goal. when the official kills a play to quickly in the crease that has a direct impact on scoring.

 

[chapmaja]

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Grow up and look at what really happened then accept it, you must be out of kleenex by now

The puck just has to be controled for a short time and under him is controled just like a swipe of the D equals control

It as never controlled. There is NO WAY if you watch the replay you can honestly say the goalie had control of the puck.

 

[streaker]

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http://www.annarbor.com/sports/mich...ts-closure-after-controversial-overtime-call/

 

[Larch]

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I think anytime a whistle causes a goal not to be awarded when it should have been scored because of a error by the official there sure as heck should be an explanation of why the official f'ed up.

As for the lineman calling offside. I would be much less likely to compain about an offside call going against a team than a goal being disallowed (or being after a whistle). I would rather have a call made correctly that imapcts the actually scoring of a goal rather than an offside call which is much less likely to influence the game in the manner of which you speak. Even if an offside gets missed by an official it doesn't automatically impact the chances of a team scoring a goal. when the official kills a play to quickly in the crease that has a direct impact on scoring.

Maybe I didn't explain it well enough, but if a Miami player is offsides and goes in and scores, you will be here. That is a a direct influence in the game.

You never answered me though, should there be a press release for every disputed call? Maybe in this case it was directly related to a goal, but how many times is it questionable? Or should there only be one this time, because it hurt your team? Seriously, the witch-hunt is getting a little old.

 

[Timothy A]

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A goal or two by UND were disallowed by WCHA refs because of their "intent to blow the whistle." It didn't matter if the puck was in before or after the ref blew the whistle. If he had the intent to blow the whistle it isn't a goal.

That just kills me, the intent to blow the whistle is equal to the whistle actually blowing. Leave it to the WCHA to say something so dumb. Just like the ref in regards to the Garvin suspension hit on Geoffrion telling Eaves the hit to Geoffrion's face didn't count as a hit to his head.

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

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I wish I had thought of a good April Fool's Day post to go with this. Argh.

 

[No Legs]

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Yata Yata Ya!

Ok Good April Fools Day Joke! After much diatribe from U of M fans on the forum the NCAA decided to replay the Video in slow motion and have now decided because it is the correct way of accomplishing business to award a Stimulus Goal to Red and the Team and now they are moving on to the Frozen Four. This comes about not because Michigan Won the Game but because everyone gets a ribbon in today's sporting events and well U of M does have history and should be always have a spot in the finals.

Ok So I am being an ARS sorry up front. Let it Go!

Oh Happy April Fools Day! Saw a bad sign in the sky today April 1st and an Eagle in Fairbanks that is about three weeks early! Hope it does not mean B.C. is going to Win again!!!!!!