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Detroit Tigers, Volume 3 - The Alan Trammell version
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bronconick
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Re: Detroit Tigers, Volume 3 - The Alan Trammell version
And Benoit gives up a walk off jack to some guy who hadn't hit all season before today.
And Benoit gives up a walk off jack to some guy who hadn't hit all season before today.
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Re: Detroit Tigers, Volume 3 - The Alan Trammell version
Okay, better late than never. Midseason grades, in four parts. These grades are as of the All Star Break and do not include the ASG debacle.
Pitching
Justin Verlander: A-. Almost a 3rd no-hitter for him, but not quite as sharp as last season
Doug Fister: C-. Struggled after his initial injury, and he hasn’t been the same Fister we got last year. I didn’t expect another performance like 2011, but he’s gotten hit hard against teams where you have to scratch your head.
Max Scherzer: B-. Inconsistent, but all the pieces are there for him to take a huge step forward.
Rick Porcello: C. Probably being generous here. Inconsistent as well, and the difference between him and Scherzer is that Porcello doesn’t have the strikeout pitch to get him out of trouble. I still think rushing him to the bigs a few years ago really stunted his development, and we’re seeing the results now.
Drew Smyly: B. Teams have adjusted to him a bit, but he’s been more than we could have asked for.
Duane Below: B+. Got bombed in his only start, but has pitched well in long relief.
Brayan Villareal: B+: Rough start, but has been very effective. Still a bit wild for my taste.
Octavio Dotel: B. Started off well, but has gotten hit hard a couple times.
Phil Coke: B+. Nice ERA, has only given up 1 bomb, but that WHIP is not good.
Joaquin Benoit: A-. He did the job in the 1st half.
Jose Valverde: C. I didn’t expect a replica of last year out of him, either, but his control is marginal at best.
Everyone else not mentioned gets an incomplete.
Okay, better late than never. Midseason grades, in four parts. These grades are as of the All Star Break and do not include the ASG debacle.
Pitching
Justin Verlander: A-. Almost a 3rd no-hitter for him, but not quite as sharp as last season
Doug Fister: C-. Struggled after his initial injury, and he hasn’t been the same Fister we got last year. I didn’t expect another performance like 2011, but he’s gotten hit hard against teams where you have to scratch your head.
Max Scherzer: B-. Inconsistent, but all the pieces are there for him to take a huge step forward.
Rick Porcello: C. Probably being generous here. Inconsistent as well, and the difference between him and Scherzer is that Porcello doesn’t have the strikeout pitch to get him out of trouble. I still think rushing him to the bigs a few years ago really stunted his development, and we’re seeing the results now.
Drew Smyly: B. Teams have adjusted to him a bit, but he’s been more than we could have asked for.
Duane Below: B+. Got bombed in his only start, but has pitched well in long relief.
Brayan Villareal: B+: Rough start, but has been very effective. Still a bit wild for my taste.
Octavio Dotel: B. Started off well, but has gotten hit hard a couple times.
Phil Coke: B+. Nice ERA, has only given up 1 bomb, but that WHIP is not good.
Joaquin Benoit: A-. He did the job in the 1st half.
Jose Valverde: C. I didn’t expect a replica of last year out of him, either, but his control is marginal at best.
Everyone else not mentioned gets an incomplete.
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Infield:
Alex Avila: D. The production is simply not there. Now, part of that is probably due to the effects of Leyland running his knees into the ground at the end of last season, but we’ve got to score his production here.
Gerald Laird: A. Yes, you read that properly. His production warrants this grade, plain and simple.
Miguel Cabrera: A. Best hitter in the American League.
Jhonny Peralta: C. Not having the year he had last year, either (I sense a pattern here). I suspect we’re going to need another SS next season.
Ramon Santiago: D. No average, no power, no OBP and his fielding appears to be slipping. In the competition for the everyday 2B job, he's either the tallest midget, or the prettiest fat girl in the trailer park. You pick the analogy that suits you best.
Prince Fielder: B+. I suspect we’re going to see Prince improve next year, after he’s seen the league for a year.
Danny Worth: F. I thought about passing him with a D-. Then I saw that his SLG is lower than his OBP, neither of which is anything resembling decent. I wanted him to play, so that we could find out what we had in him. We got our answer on this guy, and it wasn’t the one we wanted.
Ryan Raburn: F. I need not go further here. This hillbilly has no business being in the majors. Can’t hit, can’t field. I don’t care what he hits in the 2nd half if he’s going to hit .170 in the first three months.
Everyone else gets incompletes.
Infield:
Alex Avila: D. The production is simply not there. Now, part of that is probably due to the effects of Leyland running his knees into the ground at the end of last season, but we’ve got to score his production here.
Gerald Laird: A. Yes, you read that properly. His production warrants this grade, plain and simple.
Miguel Cabrera: A. Best hitter in the American League.
Jhonny Peralta: C. Not having the year he had last year, either (I sense a pattern here). I suspect we’re going to need another SS next season.
Ramon Santiago: D. No average, no power, no OBP and his fielding appears to be slipping. In the competition for the everyday 2B job, he's either the tallest midget, or the prettiest fat girl in the trailer park. You pick the analogy that suits you best.
Prince Fielder: B+. I suspect we’re going to see Prince improve next year, after he’s seen the league for a year.
Danny Worth: F. I thought about passing him with a D-. Then I saw that his SLG is lower than his OBP, neither of which is anything resembling decent. I wanted him to play, so that we could find out what we had in him. We got our answer on this guy, and it wasn’t the one we wanted.
Ryan Raburn: F. I need not go further here. This hillbilly has no business being in the majors. Can’t hit, can’t field. I don’t care what he hits in the 2nd half if he’s going to hit .170 in the first three months.
Everyone else gets incompletes.
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Outfield:
Delmon Young: D. An absolute flop in his salary drive year. A mess in the field. Runs like he’s stepping in goose-**** at all times. Trying to brawl with every Jew in New York City in the middle of the night doesn’t help anybody one bit.
Austin Jackson: A. Has done everything we’ve asked of him, and has thrown in some power to boot. Should have been an All Star.
Brennan Boesch: D. Barely passing here. Major regression. Let’s hope this is a delayed sophomore jinx.
Andy Dirks: Incomplete. The production he gave us while healthy was wonderful, if not sustainable. He just hasn’t been healthy, and sadly, there’s no sign of his return.
Quentin Berry: A. I waffled about handing him an incomplete here, as he hasn’t been here long, either. But he’s been better than expected. I still wonder if he can keep this up for the rest of the season. There’s a reason he hasn’t caught on with anyone before.
Don Kelly: D-. Very generous grade here, only because no one expected anything out of him anyway. He’s Ryan Raburn with a little bit better glove.
Everyone else, incomplete.
Outfield:
Delmon Young: D. An absolute flop in his salary drive year. A mess in the field. Runs like he’s stepping in goose-**** at all times. Trying to brawl with every Jew in New York City in the middle of the night doesn’t help anybody one bit.
Austin Jackson: A. Has done everything we’ve asked of him, and has thrown in some power to boot. Should have been an All Star.
Brennan Boesch: D. Barely passing here. Major regression. Let’s hope this is a delayed sophomore jinx.
Andy Dirks: Incomplete. The production he gave us while healthy was wonderful, if not sustainable. He just hasn’t been healthy, and sadly, there’s no sign of his return.
Quentin Berry: A. I waffled about handing him an incomplete here, as he hasn’t been here long, either. But he’s been better than expected. I still wonder if he can keep this up for the rest of the season. There’s a reason he hasn’t caught on with anyone before.
Don Kelly: D-. Very generous grade here, only because no one expected anything out of him anyway. He’s Ryan Raburn with a little bit better glove.
Everyone else, incomplete.
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As for the coaching staff and front office, below average marks across the board. This team is deficient in the basic fundamentals of the game, especially defensively, and I do not believe that the younger hitters on the team are progressing from either a talent standpoint, or in the mental approach at the plate, Austin Jackson exempted. I also think the front office made a major miscalculation in regards to how bad our defense was going to be, and our inability to find a major league 2nd baseman, for 3 years and counting now, continues to boggle the mind. We’re lucky to be in the AL Central, because we’d be 8.5 behind the Yankees, and 8 back of the Rangers.
Our schedule is brutal for the next month. That’s why I said a while back that we really needed to gain some ground in May, when the schedule was much lighter. We did not. We’re only 3.5 back now, but I still think that given our holes and the schedule, we’re in bigger trouble than anyone realizes. 74 games is not as much time as you think it is.
As for the coaching staff and front office, below average marks across the board. This team is deficient in the basic fundamentals of the game, especially defensively, and I do not believe that the younger hitters on the team are progressing from either a talent standpoint, or in the mental approach at the plate, Austin Jackson exempted. I also think the front office made a major miscalculation in regards to how bad our defense was going to be, and our inability to find a major league 2nd baseman, for 3 years and counting now, continues to boggle the mind. We’re lucky to be in the AL Central, because we’d be 8.5 behind the Yankees, and 8 back of the Rangers.
Our schedule is brutal for the next month. That’s why I said a while back that we really needed to gain some ground in May, when the schedule was much lighter. We did not. We’re only 3.5 back now, but I still think that given our holes and the schedule, we’re in bigger trouble than anyone realizes. 74 games is not as much time as you think it is.
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manurespreader
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I disagree with your berry grade. though he has some nice hits at times he also has made several serious base-running errors that have cost outs and most importantly wins. plus he can't hit a curve ball.
I disagree with your berry grade. though he has some nice hits at times he also has made several serious base-running errors that have cost outs and most importantly wins. plus he can't hit a curve ball.
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Certainly. These grades are partly based on production, and partly based on expectations. And he has more than exceeded expectations for a 27 year old that has bounced around multiple franchises and is just now getting his first taste of major leagues. Usually guys like that don't play at his level for as long as he has, wouldn't you agree?
And besides, 75% of this team can't hit a curveball. That's part of the reason we're in this hole in the first place.
Certainly. These grades are partly based on production, and partly based on expectations. And he has more than exceeded expectations for a 27 year old that has bounced around multiple franchises and is just now getting his first taste of major leagues. Usually guys like that don't play at his level for as long as he has, wouldn't you agree?
And besides, 75% of this team can't hit a curveball. That's part of the reason we're in this hole in the first place.
bronconick
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I'd make plenty of base running errors if I was listening to Gene Lamont, too.
I'd make plenty of base running errors if I was listening to Gene Lamont, too.
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Re: Detroit Tigers, Volume 3 - The Alan Trammell version
Gotta love Marlboro Jimmy's comment about how Fat Gene sending Boesch was "absolutely the right thing to do". Umm....uh-uh. Not that one. Not on a shallow hit that is roughly the equivalent of an outfield bunt, and not when you get thrown out by 30 feet. I understand that 3rd base coaches are going to get guys thrown out at the plate from time to time, but that was flat-out riduculous, and it ended the inning. It wasn't even close. And it might have cost us the game.
Gotta love Marlboro Jimmy's comment about how Fat Gene sending Boesch was "absolutely the right thing to do". Umm....uh-uh. Not that one. Not on a shallow hit that is roughly the equivalent of an outfield bunt, and not when you get thrown out by 30 feet. I understand that 3rd base coaches are going to get guys thrown out at the plate from time to time, but that was flat-out riduculous, and it ended the inning. It wasn't even close. And it might have cost us the game.
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bronconick
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No wonder he liked Inge so much. "Going to 2nd was the only call."
No wonder he liked Inge so much. "Going to 2nd was the only call."
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yes I'd agree, but baserunning is not hitting. even high school kids can run better than he has done. I like him, but the reality is he's most likely a 230 hitter with speed and if he can't run bases real well what does he bring? Yes so far it's better than expectations, and the fielding for the most part is much better than young for sure.
As far as curve balls, young is the only starter I know that can't hit them( really he sits fastball every pitch it seems), even Boesch can and so can avila, as both did yesterday.
and expectations.. if a guy has a career year last year how can you expect him to have the same year this year?
yes I'd agree, but baserunning is not hitting. even high school kids can run better than he has done. I like him, but the reality is he's most likely a 230 hitter with speed and if he can't run bases real well what does he bring? Yes so far it's better than expectations, and the fielding for the most part is much better than young for sure.
As far as curve balls, young is the only starter I know that can't hit them( really he sits fastball every pitch it seems), even Boesch can and so can avila, as both did yesterday.
and expectations.. if a guy has a career year last year how can you expect him to have the same year this year?
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You don't...necessarily. But that doesn't mean you automatically excuse a 40 point drop in a batting average, or having your power numbers fall off of a cliff, either.
You don't...necessarily. But that doesn't mean you automatically excuse a 40 point drop in a batting average, or having your power numbers fall off of a cliff, either.
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4-0 final.
This could very easily have been a sweep.
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4-0 final.
This could very easily have been a sweep.
Re: Detroit Tigers, Volume 3 - The Alan Trammell version
Can't argue with any of the critiques. I think *expecting* Don Kelly and Raburn to produce like they belong in the Majors is part of the problem, although they may get the same grades playing for Toledo.
One other issue: our mental game across the board is terrible. Our relievers manage to screw up games we should win, our baserunning mistakes are awful (Fielder should have been on third in extras on saturday for instance. They still scored, but blew it) and somehow our outfielders couldn't hit a cutoff man if they were playing in Williamsport.
I think the Leyland overmanaging thing has been discussed, but I don't see a ton of management talent out there to be plucked. That hole at 2b is really gnawing at Dombrowski's leg, too.
Can't argue with any of the critiques. I think *expecting* Don Kelly and Raburn to produce like they belong in the Majors is part of the problem, although they may get the same grades playing for Toledo.
One other issue: our mental game across the board is terrible. Our relievers manage to screw up games we should win, our baserunning mistakes are awful (Fielder should have been on third in extras on saturday for instance. They still scored, but blew it) and somehow our outfielders couldn't hit a cutoff man if they were playing in Williamsport.
I think the Leyland overmanaging thing has been discussed, but I don't see a ton of management talent out there to be plucked. That hole at 2b is really gnawing at Dombrowski's leg, too.
bronconick
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Re: Detroit Tigers, Volume 3 - The Alan Trammell version
LOL. Yep, sending Boesch home the other night was genius.
LOL. Yep, sending Boesch home the other night was genius.
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