Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

[streaker]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

Hi, there.

Lost in the shuffle this weekend, the Marlins traded both Cameron Maybin (Padres) and Andrew Miller (Red Sox). That means that the only thing the Marlins still have to show for sending us Miguel Cabrera is Burke Badenhop. Even with the money that wound up in Dontrelle Willis's bank account, I still think we, uhhh, did okay in this trade.

Now maybe we can fleece them out of Dan Uggla..............

Agreed. I don't know why they keep forcing that experiment down there.

Oh, in other news, Austin Jackson gets screwed out of his ROTY by some veteran rookie reliever from Texas. What a crock, considering it was their offense that got them to the WS, not their pitching. And it was their pitching that let them down in the WS.

Miggie gets a silver slugger and a shot at league MVP. I bet A-Rod gets that, too- after all, his buddy Jeter got a Gold Glove for doing nothing more than wearing the pinstripes. They have turned these awards into nothing more than a jaded beauty contest.

 

[streaker]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

Tigers sign a set up man -Joaquin Benoit-from the Rays. Hammer- any thoughts on this guy?

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

Hi, there.

Lost in the shuffle this weekend, the Marlins traded both Cameron Maybin (Padres) and Andrew Miller (Red Sox). That means that the only thing the Marlins still have to show for sending us Miguel Cabrera is Burke Badenhop. Even with the money that wound up in Dontrelle Willis's bank account, I still think we, uhhh, did okay in this trade.

Now maybe we can fleece them out of Dan Uggla..............

I believe Uggla just became a Brave.

 

[Hammer]

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Tigers sign a set up man -Joaquin Benoit-from the Rays. Hammer- any thoughts on this guy?

Okay. I haven't looked too deeply yet. It's a much-needed arm for the bullpen if he's serviceable.

I'm still waiting for the bats. Apparently the Tigers are deep in negotiations with Adam Dunn. We'll see.

 

[Hammer]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

Joaquin Benoit

When he's on, he's really on.

 

[geezer]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

V-Mart to the Tigers. Great player, shitty nickname.

 

[streaker]

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V-Mart to the Tigers. Great player, shitty nickname.

four years, 36MM. Not bad, except he'll be 36 when the contract expires. He turned down 3/36 from the Chisox, and also turned down the O's and Red Sox.

 

[Bronco]

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four years, 36MM. Not bad, except he'll be 36 when the contract expires. He turned down 3/36 from the Chisox, and also turned down the O's and Red Sox.

I'm reading 4yr/50MM for Martinez. That's a decent amount of bling for a guy that won't be a catcher after his second season of the contract.

This also looks to be the end of Magglio, as I don't think the Tigers would be able/willing to pay to resign him.

 

[streaker]

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I'm reading 4yr/50MM for Martinez. That's a decent amount of bling for a guy that won't be a catcher after his second season of the contract.

This also looks to be the end of Magglio, as I don't think the Tigers would be able/willing to pay to resign him.

Yep, I heard an initial report. You are correct. An expensive dh, now what will they do with Guillen, too? And a first round pick is gone, too.

And Hamilton just won the MVP. Tigers oh- for two in individual awards.

 

[Bronco]

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Yep, I heard an initial report. You are correct. An expensive dh, now what will they do with Guillen, too? And a first round pick is gone, too.

And Hamilton just won the MVP. Tigers oh- for two in individual awards.

I'll guess that they try to place Guillen at second. At least until something falls off.

The infield did just get substancially better with Martinez getting signed. Now we need to see what will happen with the corner outfield spots.

 

[Hammer]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

Too much money for too many years. I guess I'm just not a fan of Victor Martinez in general. I would rather have had Adam Dunn for a (relatively) little more. If Avila shows anything with the bat, after this season they're going to have to teach Martinez to play outfield to get him in the lineup. Under any conditions, anyone who thinks Victor Martinez is going to be catching for the Tigers for year 3 of this contract drank too much of their lunch today. I would think that Dave Dombrowski drafted 8 catchers in this last draft for a very good reason.

I don't think picking up one more hitter is going to kill the budget, either. I still want Magglio back, at a reasonable price. We're still not in a position to be letting bats walk out the door. I still want Adam Dunn, too. I wouldn't put it past the Tigers to part ways with Carlos Guillen by the end of spring training, either, even if they grab a fork and some ketchup and eat his contract.

Oh, and the Twins non-tendered Jon Rauch. He might not be a bad pickup for the bullpen. We still need another arm there.

 

[streaker]

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Too much money for too many years. I guess I'm just not a fan of Victor Martinez in general. I would rather have had Adam Dunn for a (relatively) little more. If Avila shows anything with the bat, after this season they're going to have to teach Martinez to play outfield to get him in the lineup. Under any conditions, anyone who thinks Victor Martinez is going to be catching for the Tigers for year 3 of this contract drank too much of their lunch today. I would think that Dave Dombrowski drafted 8 catchers in this last draft for a very good reason.

I don't think picking up one more hitter is going to kill the budget, either. I still want Magglio back, at a reasonable price. We're still not in a position to be letting bats walk out the door. I still want Adam Dunn, too. I wouldn't put it past the Tigers to part ways with Carlos Guillen by the end of spring training, either, even if they grab a fork and some ketchup and eat his contract.

Oh, and the Twins non-tendered Jon Rauch. He might not be a bad pickup for the bullpen. We still need another arm there.

Adam Dunn wants to play outfield in the NL. I think that was a deal killer. He'd get lost at Comerica, and didn't want to come here anyway.
Martinez is a net gain over Laird, at least. Laird had lost his defensive prowess and never could hit. I don't like the length, either nor the fact that they probably could have gotten him for less. But he is the top catcher in the market.
Problem is, we have enough guys now that probably need wheelchairs to get around the bases. Adding Magglio back into that mix is a risk, but we need an outfield bat. Werth isn't coming here, so who does that leave short of a trade?

 

[Hammer]

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Well, if we're not going to re-sign Magglio, I think the trade route is where we're headed. And even if we re-sign Magglio (looking less likely by the day), then I'm not convinced that our outfield would be set. Austin Jackson is likely headed for a step back, given his decline after May or so, and Boesch is still unproven, given his 2nd half slump last season. Now, once we go down that trade route, I have no idea what we're going to come home with, and what it's going to cost us. Maybe we soak the Marlins again. I don't know.

I'm not a big fan of signing 32 year old catchers in general, even though we did get away with murder with the Pudge deal. I don't think we'll be nearly as lucky with this one. Between Avila and the 8 catchers we drafted this year (that is not an exaggeration. We did draft 8 of them), you would have to think that one of them is going to win the job outright within 2 years. And then we've got a declining DH in Martinez.

Let's look at this team, minus the pitching:
C - Avila/Martinez. We better hope Avila starts to hit, or we're going to be a defensive wreck here
1B - Cabrera. I'm not even going to listen to a debate here
2B - Uhhhhhh. We've got a potential mess here for the 2nd straight year. This shouldn't happen.
SS - Peralta. Umm, okay for now. But not for very long.
3B - Inge. I think we made a mistake in not upgrading one of these last two positions.
CF - Jackson. I've got to believe that a sophomore slump is on the way
RF - ???
LF - ???

Do you really want to tie yourself to Brennan Boesch and whatever is behind Door #2 in the corner outfield spots? To count on Guillen for anything not named "disabled list" is silly at best. Right now LF and RF reads "Brennan Boesch/Casper Wells/Ryan Strieby/Ryan Raburn/Don Kelly". You pick any two of the four and that's where we're at. Now, there's some talent there in those first three names, but I'm not so sure that it's quite ready. If they are ready, then we're in great shape, but if we're not......

Now you know why I think we need at least one more bat before we go looking for more pitching. And it's not going to blow up our budget to do so, either. And the thing with Magglio is, he was still very productive for us right up until the leg went "SNAP". It wasn't like he fell off the face of the earth like he did when he was going through his personal problems the year before.

 

[streaker]

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Well, if we're not going to re-sign Magglio, I think the trade route is where we're headed. And even if we re-sign Magglio (looking less likely by the day), then I'm not convinced that our outfield would be set. Austin Jackson is likely headed for a step back, given his decline after May or so, and Boesch is still unproven, given his 2nd half slump last season. Now, once we go down that trade route, I have no idea what we're going to come home with, and what it's going to cost us. Maybe we soak the Marlins again. I don't know.

I'm not a big fan of signing 32 year old catchers in general, even though we did get away with murder with the Pudge deal. I don't think we'll be nearly as lucky with this one. Between Avila and the 8 catchers we drafted this year (that is not an exaggeration. We did draft 8 of them), you would have to think that one of them is going to win the job outright within 2 years. And then we've got a declining DH in Martinez.

Let's look at this team, minus the pitching:
C - Avila/Martinez. We better hope Avila starts to hit, or we're going to be a defensive wreck here
1B - Cabrera. I'm not even going to listen to a debate here
2B - Uhhhhhh. We've got a potential mess here for the 2nd straight year. This shouldn't happen.
SS - Peralta. Umm, okay for now. But not for very long.
3B - Inge. I think we made a mistake in not upgrading one of these last two positions.
CF - Jackson. I've got to believe that a sophomore slump is on the way
RF - ???
LF - ???

Do you really want to tie yourself to Brennan Boesch and whatever is behind Door #2 in the corner outfield spots? To count on Guillen for anything not named "disabled list" is silly at best. Right now LF and RF reads "Brennan Boesch/Casper Wells/Ryan Strieby/Ryan Raburn/Don Kelly". You pick any two of the four and that's where we're at. Now, there's some talent there in those first three names, but I'm not so sure that it's quite ready. If they are ready, then we're in great shape, but if we're not......

Now you know why I think we need at least one more bat before we go looking for more pitching. And it's not going to blow up our budget to do so, either. And the thing with Magglio is, he was still very productive for us right up until the leg went "SNAP". It wasn't like he fell off the face of the earth like he did when he was going through his personal problems the year before.

I completely agree, but am scared to death if Dombrowski's answer is to just sign Maggs. He has to make a deal.
He thinks the rotation is in good shape, and if any surprise arms develop, he could move Coke back to the bullpen. The Benoit deal is good depth, depending on how well papa loco returns.

So.. the infield...how many good 2b are available and at what price? Once again I think he addressed *1* issue with the Martinez signing and is going with duct tape and spit for the others. But, March is a long way off.

 

[streaker]

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Tigers designate Miner for assignment and have until Thursday to offer Zumaya and Gallaraga a contract offer or they will become FA's.
Tough break for Zach, sometimes he is really good- but with Tommy John surgery it looks like this may be it for him.
The other two... I think is a formality but we'll see.

 

[Hammer]

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I don't know why they wouldn't offer contracts to the other two. There's nothing wrong with keeping them under control of the franchise for next season. Now, to expect anything out of either of them is an entirely different matter altogether.

If we're gonna grab another arm for the bullpen, I'd be kicking the tires on Jon Rauch. I think the Twins non-tendered him, so we're not lighting a draft pick on fire if we do sign him. And I still want Magglio plus another bat. Since Jon Garland is gone, that would take care of my off-season wish-list, unless DD pulls a 2nd basemen out of his hat at the winter meetings.

 

[Hammer]

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ESPN is reporting that Magglio has signed a 1-year deal for $10 mil. A little high, but we can thank the Nats and Jason Werth for at least some of that.

 

[MissThundercat]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

And Gerald Laird ended up with the Cards as a backup. Good. He can strikeout somewhere else.

 

[streaker]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

And Gerald Laird ended up with the Cards as a backup. Good. He can strikeout somewhere else.

Um. Yea!

Also, the Figaro era has ended in Detroit. Yawn.

Re: Maggs- I guess it is better than losing him. The Nats disturbed the salary ladder, sure, but I think this was more a case of slim pickins in the FA market now.

 

[Hammer]

Re: Detroit Tigers 2010, Part 2: Wanted: Hitting. Gerald Laird need not apply

Bill Lajoie has died

He was the General Manager of the '84 Tigers. That makes 3 people associated with the '84 Tigers this year. Someone go check on Roger Craig, Alex Grammas and Chet Lemon.