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Detroit Tigers, 2009, Part III: How long does it take for Leyland to screw this up?

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Hammer said:
Tigers offer arbitration to Rodney and Lyon, but non-tender Polanco and Everett

I think they made a big mistake in not offering Polanco arbitration. And now they've got a mess at shortstop, too.
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Figures. Everett has interest from the Bosox, Tigers don't want to be stuck with Polanco if no one else offers for him and he takes arbitration, versus getting draft picks for being a type A FA.

Dumbrowski better hope Sizemore can play at the MLB level and that there is another SS out there other than Santiago.

I can't take it. The Tigers, Lions, Wings and Pistons all tank at the same time along with Michigan. The Whalers suck. The Shock is gone, no Major Soccer teams, no other fringe rooting interests. I guess we could live in Cleveland, though. :p
 
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Yeah, Cleveland hasn't won a **** thing since 1964.

I simply don't understand non-tendering Polanco. The worst case scenario is that Polanco returns to Detroit and Sizemore gets more seasoning at Toledo. If he burns up AAA in the first half of the year, trade Polanco and bring Sizemore up midseason. And if Polanco leaves, take the draft picks and go get more pitchers. I fail to see any significant downside here. Now, if Sizemore hits .155 in April and shows that he needs more time in the minors, we're dead-dog ****ed at 2B, unless you're really high on Will Rhymes.

I have no idea what we're going to do at SS. Everett wasn't going to get us any draft picks, but Santiago historically breaks down once you get past 200-250 AB. Cale Iorg was just this side of horrendous in the minors this season, and I've heard nothing about Danny Worth in about 6 months. I'm not sure that Brent Dlugach is the answer, either.

There's got to be a sizeable deal in the pipeline. I know that they're not saying that this is a fire sale/cost cutting, but if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, walks like a duck.......
 
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The main reason I think the Tigers are letting Polly go...Sizemore is cheaper. While he may struggle in 2010, he may not. It remains to be seen. Even if he just has an average year, it will enable the Tigers to know if they have a 2nd baseman going into 2011 when tons of money comes off the books.

But the other reason I see for the Tigers letting Polanco go is purely financial. With all the dead weight on the books, we can't afford to have Maggs, Guillen, Bonderman, Robertson and Willis all struggle. We really need for most of these guys to contribute in 2010.

Think about this question, do you think the Tigers would have signed Polanco if we didn't have all the above players signed for big dollars? I really believe if the Tigers payroll was in the 80 million dollar range, they would have kept Polly. Just my opinion.

I think the Tigers made the right decision on Polanco. What teams out there who would give up a 1st or 2nd round draft choice in order to sign an aging middle infielder with declining skills? I think today's baseball GM is too informed to do something like that, even the ones that don't seem particulary smart.

The Tigers proved last season with Renteria that they won't offer arbitration to a player they don't want back if they think there's a chance he'll accept. Polanco fell in the same boat this off-season.

The Tigers obviously have more faith in the readiness of Sizemore to be a major league contributor than they do in their upper-level bullpen arms. Although if Lyon and Rodney were "A" free agents, they would not have been offered, either.

I just hope Polly goes to the NL, or at least NOT to the Twins or another AL Central team.
 
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It just means that Team Pizza-Pizza is taking the same tact as with the Wings. Sign a few fringe gap fillers and hope they don't get embarrassed too much. It's not like the economy is going to pick up, so they must be thinking that this is the right time to recede and hope things work out in 2011- if the fans don't get mad first. Get ready for mid 90's baseball again.:(
 
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Well, at least now we don't have a GM that will f up 8 drafts in a row, unlike the one we had in the 90's.
 
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Polanco signs a 3-year deal with Philly. Goddammit. I guess we didn't need those draft picks. :mad:
 
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Hammer said:
Polanco signs a 3-year deal with Philly. Goddammit. I guess we didn't need those draft picks. :mad:
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What sucks is that he was offered a 3/18M deal... so why couldn't the Tigers have offered a one year 7M offer, if anything to get the picks if he rejects it? And big deal if he takes it... this smells like fire sale to me. Then again, if Polly's back goes out for long stretches, Dumbrowski will smirk from his press box, as Sizemore struggles to hit .250.
 
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Yep. I concur.

And have I mentioned that I have no idea what we're going to do at SS?
 
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Hammer said:
Yep. I concur.

And have I mentioned that I have no idea what we're going to do at SS?
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You can have Nick Punto, if you ask nicely.
 
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Hammer said:
Yep. I concur.

And have I mentioned that I have no idea what we're going to do at SS?
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And Polly threw the Tigers under the bus, too with his comments about going to a team that wants to contend. Nice. Can the Tigers collectively qualify as a Darwin Award nomination?
 
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Now that Scutaro has signed with the BoSox, it looks like Everett is going to stay in Detroit.

I'm not to pleased after hearing the Dome's comments at his presser in Philly. He went to a World Series and won 2 gold gloves in Detroit.
 
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The Tigers are close to dealing Edwin Jackson, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com.

This is not unexpected, as Jackson rumors have dominated the winter meetings. The identity of the team likely to land the right-hander is not yet known, but the report specifically mentions both the Diamondbacks and Mariners as possibilities. The Brewers, Mets and Dodgers have apparently pulled out of the sweepstakes. Jackson, 26, went 13-9 in 2009 with a 3.62 ERA and 1.26 WHIP over 33 starts.
 
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Tigers sign Everett to a one year deal for 3 million. IMO, this is a solid deal. If Everett fields like he did in the second half of 2009, I'm completely fine with this.
 
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"Gammons' colleague Buster Olney says the Tigers want Phil Hughes and Austin Jackson from the Yankees for Granderson." - mlbtraderumors.com

What does everyone think of that package? Hughes in the rotation or bullpen?

I would do this in a heartbeat!!! C'mon Dombrowski GET IT DONE BABY!!!
 
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Billy Blanks said:
Tigers sign Everett to a one year deal for 3 million. IMO, this is a solid deal. If Everett fields like he did in the second half of 2009, I'm completely fine with this.
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Rosenthal is reporting that he IS signed now and it's for a huge discount from the 3 Million that Everett reportedly wanted.

1.55 million for one year.

He!! yeah!
 
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Oh yes. The Clay Rapata era is over in Motown, too. A moment of silence please.
 
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RUMOR MILL ALERT!!

Okay, this deal would be a little more palatable to me

I still don't like the idea of dealing Jackson, as I think replacing a pitcher of Jackson's calibre is going to be more expensive than paying Jackson himself. To me the biggest concern is this Scherzer kid's arm. Arizona shut him down at just over 170 innings this season. Precautionary to be sure, but I hope we do our due diligence here, better than we have in the past (looking towards Florida).

I suspect that there's too much smoke here for there not to be a fire. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Tigers do something today or tomorrow.
 
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Oh, and re: Everett. I'm pacified at the moment at short. If the deal listed below goes through, I don't know how close Austin Jackson is to being ready. If he's not there yet, we've got another hole to fill in CF.

After that, we've got to concentrate on the pitching staff, both starting and relieving. I'm not comfortable at all about the immediate future of the back half of the rotation. A couple years down the road, sure, but that doesn't help us when it's 8-3 in the 3rd inning on May 17, 2010 after Bonine and his 87 mph junk gets bombed all over the city.
 
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A-Jack is ready! Let's pull the trigger on this one!
 
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