Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

[rufus]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

All Trump has to do is say, there are "irregularities". Then, everyone goes into their respective corners, it ends up in the Courts, and BOOM. Turtle Boy's work comes to fruition. Why you continue to believe that systems are going to hold up that haven't held up since he took office is beyond me.

What I was getting at but probably didn't express as succinctly.

 

[Jimjamesak]

If it weren't for the oil and the whole national security thing, I'd be on board.

Thanks a—hole.

(No sarcasm. Seriously, f- you.)

 

[rufus]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Thanks a—hole.

(No sarcasm. Seriously, f- you.)

C'mon, you'll love life under Putie's thumb. Not that much different from life in Donnie's world. Just eliminating the middle man.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

All Trump has to do is say, there are "irregularities". Then, everyone goes into their respective corners, it ends up in the Courts, and BOOM. Turtle Boy's work comes to fruition. Why you continue to believe that systems are going to hold up that haven't held up since he took office is beyond me.

Weren't we just treated to an article/link provided by Kepler today in which a Federal Appeals Court throttled Barr and Trump's Immigration Board? Written by a conservative judge, no less?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Weren't we just treated to an article/link provided by Kepler today in which a Federal Appeals Court throttled Barr and Trump's Immigration Board? Written by a conservative judge, no less?

Throttled them how? That case isn't over yet. Just because some Judge said no doesn't mean ****. Have you really not been paying attention? I don't think you have.

 

[Rover]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

That's the thing. If he does, then Congress and the people need to be prepared to make him go. And I don't see that happening. Some will be prepared. Others will react just as they did during the impeachment; make excuses, justifications, say what he's doing isn't really wrong.

Hovey's problem is that he views Trump as he would any other president, any other politician. The only thing that stops them from governing absolutely, from taking that next step, is a regard for the office, for the institution of government, for political and social mores.

Trump has none of that. Trump is all about Trump. Trump will do what is most beneficial for Trump.

Adam Schiff told you all this. You, and the Republican members of the Senate, chose not to hear.

I agree with the danger but disagree with the specifics. The problem is not that Trump will stay past the end of his term. He won't because every good con man knows how to stay out of jail. If he spends one minute beyond the time he's Constitutionally required to leave he opens himself up to arrest. He can't pardon himself in advance, nor can he pardon himself after his term is over.

The danger would have been that he commands his minions in various key offices (governor, sec of state, etc) to refuse to certify the results in any key state that he loses. That is a very real and far more realistic scenario which the media would totally "bothsiderism" given their cowardice. If you take a drink on election night for every breathlessly reported accusation of "voter fraud" you'll die of alcohol poisoning by midnight.

Fortunately the 2018 elections happened. Due to that and some earlier wins, Dem politicians now control the Gov/SoS offices in the following swing states: PA,MI,WI,ME,NC, and the SoS office in AZ. That's where you need to win and where polling place shenanigans and missing ballots are going to be a lot harder to pull off. I do remain concerned about the fairness of the vote in GA, FL or OH but if those states are in play on election night Chump will already be in trouble.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

I agree with the danger but disagree with the specifics. The problem is not that Trump will stay past the end of his term. He won't because every good con man knows how to stay out of jail. If he spends one minute beyond the time he's Constitutionally required to leave he opens himself up to arrest. He can't pardon himself in advance, nor can he pardon himself after his term is over.

The danger would have been that he commands his minions in various key offices (governor, sec of state, etc) to refuse to certify the results in any key state that he loses. That is a very real and far more realistic scenario which the media would totally "bothsiderism" given their cowardice. If you take a drink on election night for every breathlessly reported accusation of "voter fraud" you'll die of alcohol poisoning by midnight.

Fortunately the 2018 elections happened. Due to that and some earlier wins, Dem politicians now control the Gov/SoS offices in the following swing states: PA,MI,WI,ME,NC, and the SoS office in AZ. That's where you need to win and where polling place shenanigans and missing ballots are going to be a lot harder to pull off. I do remain concerned about the fairness of the vote in GA, FL or OH but if those states are in play on election night Chump will already be in trouble.

Yeah. Just like the House is providing oversight now because it's Democrats. LMFAO.

 

[rufus]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Just one more example of how everything Trump does is for the benefit of Trump.

Remember how a week or so ago, Homeland Security barred New York from using programs like Global Entry and such to speed passage through airport security? So today, Trump tweets that NY needs to stop the baseless investigations and harassment(meaning, of Trump), get back on his good side, and left unsaid, but perhaps then they could get back to using such programs. The old quid pro quo.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When you stop violating the rights and liberties of all New Yorkers, we will stand down. <br><br>Until then, we have a duty and responsibility to defend the Constitution and the rule of law. <br><br>BTW, I file the lawsuits, not the Governor. <a href="https://t.co/tsOLeEgiQp">https://t.co/tsOLeEgiQp</a></p>— NY AG James (@NewYorkStateAG) <a href="https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1228048757641678853?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[rufus]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Weren't we just treated to an article/link provided by Kepler today in which a Federal Appeals Court throttled Barr and Trump's Immigration Board? Written by a conservative judge, no less?

Angry words do what now?

It's like one of Susie's sternly worded letters.

 

[rufus]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

And more.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/482999-trump-floats-halt-to-officials-listening-in-on-calls-with-foreign

Gee, why would he want to do that?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

And more.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/482999-trump-floats-halt-to-officials-listening-in-on-calls-with-foreign

Gee, why would he want to do that?

All normal, right?

 

[Handyman]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Let me ask you this. Let's say he wins a second term. What do you really think he's going to do?

When I read your post, I can only parse out about 4 specifics, but I assume there more than these.

You express concern about entitlements. Fair enough. His current budget purports to take a big bite out of entitlements. But won't he need Congress to accomplish that? I don't see the House going for it, and probably not even the Senate. Isn't the entitlements issue going to be a typical Trump move where claims he is going to do something (or even claims he did it), but it never actually happens?

Roe v. Wade. The only possible effect on Roe v. Wade that Trump could have comes through SC appointments, obviously. I've stated this before, and I continue to believe it. I don't believe Roe v. Wade will be overturned. Will the decision continue to be nibbled at here and there, as it has for the past 50 years? Sure, but whatever is going to happen regarding Roe v. Wade has already been cast in stone.

You worry about court packing. Well, honestly, whenever there has been a Senate of the same party as the POTUS, they take advantage of the situation to put as many "like minded" judges on the bench as possible. I believe that will always be the case. Is that ideal? No, not at all. But fortunately there is a bit of a lag effect too, since it takes awhile for litigation to work it's way up, and usually by the time that happens the POTUS is already gone.

That gets us to the worry du jour -- He just won't leave. I don't know what to tell you. I don't believe that will happen. I don't think the public would stand for it. If you think about it, electing a POTUS is a years long process. As we approach 2024 (assuming he's still around) there will be D's and R's running in the primaries, running ads, etc... You think he's going to run again? Even if he tried, you'd have litigation over whether his name could appear on the ballot in states that would challenge his right under the constitution, and I can't believe Courts would let him go forward, so then you'd have a Republican convention where someone else would get nominated and Trump doesn't even show up on the ballot in November. Even if he wanted to stay for another term, I don't see the mechanics of it.

None of those cause me to see the coming of Nazi Germany.

None of those probably caused them to see it either.

And note: I say if he loses in November he leaves. I dont see anyone standing in the way of that. If he wins a second term though all bets are off.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Counter-point: if Dump declared that the election had been compromised by "irregularities we are looking into," and refused to acknowledge the results, what percentage of Republican voters would go against him? I'm guessing less than 5%. What percentage of Republican Members would go against him? I'm guessing less than 1%.

We're in trouble, man. Not just because the President is a delusional criminal, or because the Republican party is craven opportunists and cowards who will do nothing to protect American laws, but because a huge number of American voters no longer give a sh-t what system of government they live under as long as they get their way. The right's base has abandoned law and democracy, likely because they never believed in it anyway. The right's elite has abandoned law and democracy, likely because they can read demographic charts and understand they can no longer function as a significant power if the US retains its democracy.

This. The people are the ones that can save us and 40% of them stopped caring a long time ago.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

I worry about him side-stepping every established governmental procedure of how things get done to do whatever he wants to do. Give Alaska back to Russia? Done. Send Treasury money straight to his bank account? Done. Make deals with foreign nations that don't do anything for America, but put millions in his pockets? Done. And so on.

Oh, that's illegal? Oh, I can't do that? Oh, that's Congress' responsibility?

See you in court.

Just like he's done with everything so far during his term. Whatever he wants, he gets. Get in his way, you're gone. And the Republicans in Congress have shown they will not step up to stop him. On any of it. So he's seen he's got carte blanche to do whatever he wants. And it scares me to try to imagine what 'whatever he wants' might turn out to be.

If you say, no he can't, we have Congress, and other institutions to prevent that from happening, to stop him from going that far. To which I say, see you in court.

Rome had a Senate...they even put someone in place to specifically stop Caesar. I forget how that worked out for The Republic...

 

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

Nice.

 

[state of hockey]

Did someone actually publish that? Jesus does anyone paid to write actually know how to do it anymore? Hell it is one "lol" away from being a post by trix

I do love his twitter though...almost as awful as his actual writing

The article is trash...and not because it slams Klobuchar (I have been saying the same about her demeanor for YEARS) but because the author doesnt get how politics work, he doesnt get how basic "Bills" work and he couldnt understand a voting record if his life depended on it. Oh yeah sure dontcha know he made sure to put in some very cute affects for Minnesota ya sure, even went oud of his way to tell us he used to be one of us few chrissakes so he kept the locals all calm fer attacking "Oneofus" but dat changes nothing dontcha know! Trash is trash fer sure and this clown belongs in Sconnie drinking da paint thinner ya sure you betcha!

I am not Scandenavian I cant do the accent well

(oh and people on the Iron Range are far from genuine. Only a Yooper would think that)

edit to add: the only good part of that article is the end. I would rather her as Senate Minority Leader than President.

Pretty much this. I love all the people that have spent a minute or two in the state claiming expertise. All of the Minnesotans I know, 95% of which are from the twin cities, don't give a hell if you find them charming or not.

At least that rambling drivel did come to a conclusion I agree with. I also don't want Amy as president.

 

[geezer]

Pretty much this. I love all the people that have spent a minute or two in the state claiming expertise. All of the Minnesotans I know, 95% of which are from the twin cities, don't give a hell if you find them charming or not.

At least that rambling drivel did come to a conclusion I agree with. I also don't want Amy as president.

Sorry to see this struck a nerve so violently. Magary is an excellent writer, but I can see how his style of shtick would seem like sincere ash holery if you weren’t expecting it.
2) My wife and her 4 combative sisters, who are from Minneapolis where I also lived for a few years, are the source of my knowledge of the actual murky depths of “Minnesota Nice” comments. So if they are unique in their attitude, I apologize to all of you for tainting your superior glory of faultlessness (I’m learning the art, I know that was a little rough)

 

[Kepler]

Re: Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

538 brings out an INCREDIBLY detailed and exhaustive projection for all remaining primaries. This will continue to update against all polls from now until The End.

 

[St. Clown]

You express concern about entitlements. Fair enough. His current budget purports to take a big bite out of entitlements. But won't he need Congress to accomplish that? I don't see the House going for it, and probably not even the Senate. Isn't the entitlements issue going to be a typical Trump move where claims he is going to do something (or even claims he did it), but it never actually happens?

Trump doesn’t care about the entitlement spending issue. He cares that he can use the issue of being a deficit hawk on the campaign trail year, pitting the crazy liberals against his interest in protecting your pocketbook. In truth, he’s going to be mostly selling that line to the very people he’s hurting. And they’ll buy it.

 

[St. Clown]

Sorry to see this struck a nerve so violently. Magary is an excellent writer, but I can see how his style of shtick would seem like sincere ash holery if you weren’t expecting it.
2) My wife and her 4 combative sisters, who are from Minneapolis where I also lived for a few years, are the source of my knowledge of the actual murky depths of “Minnesota Nice” comments. So if they are unique in their attitude, I apologize to all of you for tainting your superior glory of faultlessness (I’m learning the art, I know that was a little rough)

Minnesota Nice is actually Minnesota Passive-Aggressive, and it’s alive and well in the Twin Cities. Perhaps back in the day it was a sincere and true for when the people of German descent were dealing with the Scandinavian people, but that’s about it. Nobody believes that the Nice is actually nice these days, and the term is only ever used in jest at my office and between friends.