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Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

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Kepler said:
So the dismissal of Sanders as a purely white phenomenon is rebutted. And that is the key issue here.
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But who is actually making this claim? Seems like its a strawman argument.

ticapnews said:
You moved the goalposts. I said one of the most diverse in history, you just changed it to the most diverse in history.

Just out of curiosity, who else would you consider has had a diverse campaign in history? Lincoln? FDR? JFK? Bush? Think they had a lot of women? POC? Religious diversity?

Let's look at Obama's 2008 campaign staff:

from wikipedia

David Plouffe (Manager)
Penny Pritzker (Finance)
David Axelrod (Media)
Michael Slaby (Chief Technology Officer)
Robert Gibbs (Communications)
Bill Burton (Spokesman)
Henry De Sio (Chief Operating Officer)
Claire McCaskill (Co-Chair)
Tim Kaine (Co-Chair)
Paul Hodes (Co-Chair)

Yeah, lots of diversity there.

As I said, sorry I made such an outlandish claim. Obviously the people in this thread are much more able to speak on diversity than he is. Just look how diverse this group is in comparison.
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Yes, you are correct upon further review you said "one of the most". My take on diversity is who is supporting the candidate amongst the voters. A cynical candidate could easily manipulate his co-chairs to show a lot of diversity for public consumption. However, whether or not non-whites, women, etc are supporting you is "black and white" for lack of a better term. Sanders himself seemed to struggle with that in the 2016 primaries and I'd be somewhat surprised to see that Sanders has MORE POC support than Obama did just to name two recent examples....
 
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Nevada plans to use the same App for their caucus.
 
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Here is what I have learned from the last couple days:

1) White People love to argue with each other over which White Person "The Others" like voting for.

2) It is not ok to generalize about the supporters of various campaigns but it is definitely ok if you generalize about the supports of other campaigns. This is true of all candidates though a few are the most obvious examples who we need not name here.

3) The media sucks and is conspiring against a candidate...unless they change their narrative for a second thanks to some random poll put out by "Bob's Firm For Taking Numbers and Changing Them" in which case then the media in question is asking the "hard questions" and is "doing their research to put forth the correct narrative".

4) The DNC sucks and is conspiring against [insert name here].

5) The Iowa Caucus is stupid and is given WAY too much credence by people outside of Iowa.

[all points above are true for all candidates from Bernie Sanders to Andrew Yang to Mike Bloomberg]

The other truth is that you all are just as liable to fall for the stupid tricks of Putin as anyone. The best part is when you accuse the other side of doing it while using the same misinformation to prove your point. He doesnt care who won this worthless race, but he loves the fallout because all it is is a bunch of monkeys throwing crap at each other.
 
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bronconick said:
Nevada plans to use the same App for their caucus.
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They would be better off using the Caesars Rewards app I use when I gamble. That thing is never wrong! ;)

So who is Nevada rigging it for :eek:
 
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Rover said:
But who is actually making this claim? Seems like its a strawman argument.
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OH! I get it now! When people say "Bernie Bros" they're not saying we're all white guys. They mean "Bernie Bruthas!" as in a bunch of bruthas from the hood. Thanks for clarifying.

Yes, you are correct upon further review you said "one of the most". My take on diversity is who is supporting the candidate amongst the voters. A cynical candidate could easily manipulate his co-chairs to show a lot of diversity for public consumption. However, whether or not non-whites, women, etc are supporting you is "black and white" for lack of a better term. Sanders himself seemed to struggle with that in the 2016 primaries and I'd be somewhat surprised to see that Sanders has MORE POC support than Obama did just to name two recent examples....
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Yeah, these aren't just co-chairs. The campaign manager is a Muslim Pakastani-American. The political director is a Latina. Her deputy is a Muslim woman. The communications director is a woman. Her deputy is a Latina. His senior policy adviser is Kurt Ehrenberg a...oh damm, a white guy. Guess that proves it. All those POC are just figureheads. Kurt Ehrenberg is the real power here.
 
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ticapnews said:
OH! I get it now! When people say "Bernie Bros" they're not saying we're all white guys. They mean "Bernie Bruthas!" as in a bunch of bruthas from the hood. Thanks for clarifying.
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Bernie Bro doesn't have anything to do with the whiteness of his supporters. We mean a subset of annoying Bernie supporters (of which you and Trix may be members). You're one that conflates a complaint against a certain vocal and obnoxious subset of Bernies supporters with ALL of his supporters
 
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BassAle said:
Bernie Bro doesn't have anything to do with the whiteness of his supporters. We mean a subset of annoying Bernie supporters (of which you and Trix may be members). You're one that conflates a complaint against a certain vocal and obnoxious subset of Bernies supporters with ALL of his supporters
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Right. So when people here post

I have no issues with Bernie per se. It's his supporters I can't stand. They're the Boston fans of politics.
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100% This. I like Bernie. I can't stand the Bernie Bros.
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They really just mean a small subset of supporters. Strange though. If it's such a small subset of supporters that they would get so upset about it.

As much fun as this has been I actually have things to do. Ta!
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Honestly it feels like Fredo was running the operations last night
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send fredo to do this. send fredo to do that.
i'm smahhhhht!!!!
well that's not what i wanted!!!!

died way to young :( great actor
 
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Jesus, we need results just so there's something else to discuss on this thread other than this stupid argument.
 
ticapnews said:
Right. So when people here post




They really just mean a small subset of supporters. Strange though. If it's such a small subset of supporters that they would get so upset about it.

As much fun as this has been I actually have things to do. Ta!
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Yes. It is 100% exactly a subset of supporters. But I guess you would know better than me who Im referring to in my posts. ;)
 
BassAle said:
Bernie Bro doesn't have anything to do with the whiteness of his supporters. We mean a subset of annoying Bernie supporters (of which you and Trix may be members). You're one that conflates a complaint against a certain vocal and obnoxious subset of Bernies supporters with ALL of his supporters
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Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner.

I will say it again. I like Bernie. I can't stand the Bernie Bros.
 
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I’m at the point where both are getting on my nerves. The incessant conspiracy drivel from Bernie Bro’s is annoying but so is the constant “I hate Bernie Bro’s” drivel.
 
ticapnews said:
Right. So when people here post




They really just mean a small subset of supporters. Strange though. If it's such a small subset of supporters that they would get so upset about it.

As much fun as this has been I actually have things to do. Ta!
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No one said it was a small subset.
 
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