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Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

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I corrected the terminology. "Rigged" is too decisive. However, "prefer" is too soft. A middle term -- cheating, sharp practice, trickery -- is most apt. "Thumb on the scale" is the best non-provocative term to shut both sides up.

Source please.

Time for you to hold yourself to the same standard you hold everyone else to. You keep saying stuff like this and never provide any actual facts to back it up. You dont get to make accusations of "cheating" and "trickery" without something that resembles an actual fact,
 
The right to do something doesn't mean it happened.

States have the right to pick their electoral college electors out of a hat, if they wanted to. It doesn't mean it happens.

Yes, that may be true. I just bought Beck’s book on the 16 fraud (or, if you will, alleged fraud) and will report back when finished.

We’ll see if scotus takes this up. I don’t recall the time frame for their response.
 
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Here’s Attorney Elizabeth Beck explaining a bit of what their lawsuit has uncovered: https://youtu.be/YLHvM-j9Xjk

If you don’t want to read About it or listen to either Elizabeth or Jared Beck here is a gem from the lawyer representing the DNC: they have the right to pick the candidate, in a back room, over cigars and wine whatever, regardless of voting, they choose who will be their ultimate candidate to face off vs gop. There’s more to it than that but basically the 99% and their votes are not part of the equation. Pretty stunning that they reveal this process in court.

this has always been "the process". recently the primaries have become more open, but the parties can decide at any time to choose their candidates any dam way they desire.
this isn't news.
 
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Delaney drops out. Not that he’s been relevant outside of setting up Bernie’s “I wrote the **** bill” line.
 
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Source please.

Time for you to hold yourself to the same standard you hold everyone else to. You keep saying stuff like this and never provide any actual facts to back it up. You dont get to make accusations of "cheating" and "trickery" without something that resembles an actual fact,

Watch out Handy, he's going to tell you you're drunk too! :D
 
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Watch out Handy, he's going to tell you you're drunk too! :D

Take it up with Warren.

CNN asked Senator Elizabeth Warren if Mrs Clinton's contest against Democratic rival Bernie Sanders was rigged, and she said: "Yes."

Ms Warren, a progressive senator from Massachusetts who campaigned for Mrs Clinton, was reacting to allegations by former Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairwoman Donna Brazile.

Ms Brazile writes in a new book that the cash-starved DNC signed a joint fundraising agreement with the Clinton campaign in August 2015, four months after the former secretary of state launched her candidacy.

Ms Brazile writes that Mrs Clinton's "campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses".

(In the book Brazile notes the following:

Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised,” Brazile wrote. “Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

None of this was ever contested by the DNC.)

The DNC was meant to be neutral in the contest between Mrs Clinton and her Democratic challenger Bernie Sanders, a Vermont senator.

But supporters of Mr Sanders have long claimed the party showed preference to Mrs Clinton.

Ms Brazile says the deal was "not a criminal act", but "compromised the party's integrity".

Congressman Keith Ellison - who backed Mr Sanders and is now the deputy chairman of the DNC - said in a statement "it is our responsibility to acknowledge that millions of Americans still feel hurt and betrayed by the events of the 2016 presidential primary".

"We can't allow this idea to persist that any candidate has an inside track."

Ms Brazile herself came under fire last year after the anti-secrecy website Wikileaks released hacked DNC emails that revealed she had notified the Clinton campaign in advance of a question the candidate would be asked by CNN.

Her predecessor at the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, resigned during the election after her leaked emails appeared to show a co-ordinated effort to aid Mrs Clinton's campaign.

The person who may well win our nomination and lead the party believes the DNC was in the bag for Hillary. I'm sure you can be equally disparaging and dismissive of her. :)

This should be fun...

Anybody remember the DWS resignation? Here's that well-know Bernie Bro, the New York Times, to remind you. Here's the story of the email leak:

The leaks resulted in allegations of bias against Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign, in apparent contradiction with the DNC leadership's publicly stated neutrality,[6] as several DNC operatives seemed to deride Sanders' campaign and discussed ways to advance Hillary Clinton's nomination. Later reveals included controversial DNC–Clinton agreements dated before the primary, regarding financial arrangements and control over policy and hiring decisions.[7] The revelations prompted the resignation of DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz before the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[8] The DNC issued a formal apology to Bernie Sanders and his supporters "for the inexcusable remarks made over email" that did not reflect the DNC's "steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process."[9] After the convention, DNC CEO Amy Dacey, CFO Brad Marshall, and Communications Director Luis Miranda also resigned in the wake of the controversy.[10]

In the emails, DNC staffers derided the Sanders campaign.[25] The Washington Post reported: "Many of the most damaging emails suggest the committee was actively trying to undermine Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign. Basically, all of these examples came late in the primary—after Hillary Clinton was clearly headed for victory—but they belie the national party committee's stated neutrality in the race even at that late stage."[6]

In a May 2016 email chain, the DNC chief financial officer (CFO) Brad Marshall told the DNC chief executive officer, Amy Dacy, that they should have someone from the media ask Sanders if he is an atheist prior to the West Virginia primary.[6][26]

On May 21, 2016, DNC National Press Secretary Mark Paustenbach sent an email to DNC Spokesman Luis Miranda mentioning a controversy that ensued in December 2015, when the National Data Director of the Sanders campaign and three subordinate staffers accessed the Clinton campaign's voter information on the NGP VAN database.[27] (The party accused Sanders' campaign of impropriety and briefly limited their access to the database. The Sanders campaign filed suit for breach of contract against the DNC; they dropped the suit on April 29, 2016.)[26][28][29] Paustenbach suggested that the incident could be used to promote a "narrative for a story, which is that Bernie never had his act together, that his campaign was a mess." (The suggestion was rejected by the DNC.) [6][26] The Washington Post wrote: "Paustenbach's suggestion, in that way, could be read as a defense of the committee rather than pushing negative information about Sanders. But this is still the committee pushing negative information about one of its candidates."[6]

Remember, there were findings that the DNC was legally permitted to rig the process.

In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, “I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.” He added that Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have resigned much sooner than she did. The lawsuit was filed to push the DNC to admit their wrongdoing and provide Bernie Sanders supporters, who supported him financially with millions of dollars in campaign contributions, with restitution for being cheated.

On August 25, 2017, Federal Judge William Zloch, dismissed the lawsuit after several months of litigation during which DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate. “In evaluating Plaintiffs’ claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are true—that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent,” the court order dismissing the lawsuit stated. This assumption of a plaintiff’s allegation is the general legal standard in the motion to dismiss stage of any lawsuit. The allegations contained in the complaint must be taken as true unless they are merely conclusory allegations or are invalid on their face.

That's
why the complaint was dismissed in court. The DNC wasn't exonerated, they just stated that even if they cheated it wasn't against the law.
 
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Take it up with Warren.



The person who may well win our nomination and lead the party believes the DNC was in the bag for Hillary. I'm sure you can be equally disparaging and dismissive of her. :)

This should be fun...


Kep, for the bazillionth time, WHAT did the DNC do to screw Bernie out of the nomination? Because you said previously that had they not had their finger on the scale, Bernie would have won. All we're asking for is evidence. I have no problem with Lizzy pandering to Bernie supporters in order to win their votes, but I'd ask her the same question I'm asking you. WHAT did the DNC do that cost Sanders a sure victory?

This is why you get made fun of. An inability to directly answer questions when posed to you.
 
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Kepler, they didn't cheat, those were the rules. Bernie had his chance and he didn't convince enough people. Were the hands on the scale? Of course they were.
 
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Were the hands on the scale? Of course they were.

And that's what I have said throughout. If a sporting event was played under the same constraints it would be considered "rigged." The DNC and Clinton cut a deal, they manipulated the process, they got the result they wanted. They were far from the first political organization to put the fix in, but it was put in.

As Dump showed, it's possible to still blow everything up and win even against that.

The fact that people get their feathers up for even suggesting this is amazing. However the goalposts have now been moved significantly enough ("Of course they were working for their favorite -- they always do!") that I rest my case. Having pushed the defense all the way to "if a president thinks his re-election is in the interests of the country nothing his does is impeachable," I am satisfied that people reasoning in good faith will at least have given my argument an honest listen, and that was the whole aim.
 
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I honestly didnt know he was in :eek:

He was my Congressman once or I wouldn't have known.

FWIW is he was a rich Third Way pud. Howard Schultz with less charisma.
 
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And that's what I have said throughout. If a sporting event was played under the same constraints it would be considered "rigged." The DNC and Clinton cut a deal, they manipulated the process, they got the result they wanted. They were far from the first political organization to put the fix in, but it was put in.

As Dump showed, it's possible to still blow everything up and win even against that.

The fact that people get their feathers up for even suggesting this is amazing. However the goalposts have now been moved significantly enough (of course they were working for their favorite -- they always do!) that I rest my case. Having pushed the defense all the way to "if a president thinks his re-election is in the interests of the country nothing his does is impeachable," I am satisfied that people reasoning in good faith will at least have given my argument an honest listen, and that was the whole aim.

But, what you fail to realize is the same hands were on the same scale for '08. Obama still beat her. Bernie didn't. It's the same hands that killed Howard Dean in '06.
 
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But, what you fail to realize is the same hands were on the same scale for '08. Obama still beat her. Bernie didn't. It's the same hands that killed Howard Dean in '06.

Why the f-ck do people quote this as if it has any bearing on whether the DNC is guilty in the latter case as well? "Oswald killed Kennedy, so Hinkley should walk."
 
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Why the f-ck do people quote this as if it has any bearing on whether the DNC is guilty in the latter case as well? "Oswald killed Kennedy, so Hinkley should walk."

You seem to be a little slow today, so I'll ask again. WHAT did the DNC do that cost Sanders the nomination? Why is this so hard for you to answer?
 
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I get that they probably wanted to undermine him, but what I’m not seeing is the actions they took.

The average joe doesn’t even know what’s DNC stands for. They probably don’t even know Bernie wasn’t an actual Democrat.

Bernie has one of the largest email lists out there. He has a funding base as large as anyone not named Clinton. He raised enough cash and spent enough to take her down. Yet somehow she still took home millions of more votes.

I get I’m naive here, but I’m just not seeing the actions.
 
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