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Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

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psych said:
Eh, I represent this demographic and I wouldn't call myself jaded in the least. Definitely more informed now, though.
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I'd even go so far as to say "wiser to the world." That may have been a fairer description.
 
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SJHovey said:
Anyone who voted for Obama when he first ran is already 30 and jaded. That's the beauty, we keep making idealistic 20 year olds with dreams the world gets to crush.
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The trick is to become realistic without being cynical.
 
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Kepler said:
The trick is to become realistic without being cynical.
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That's a big hill with one of the parties only interested in completely destroying the Republic. I'm hopeful the electorate once it sees competent government again will start to finally come around. It'll be too late for me but hopefully my kids will see the benefit.
 
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BassAle said:
this is the thing that makes me nervous to vote for Bernie: those reformed Republicans could easily decide the election, but they might sit out if their choice is Bernie
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These people don't actually exist in significant numbers and the polling doesn't bare it out either.
 
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Rover said:
Its possible Biden ends up being a transitional president. Consider this:

Biden gets elected with grudging lefty support while bringing along older educated people to put him over the top and capture a 50/50 senate. That means Biden restores our foreign policy to something sane while doing the right thing on judges (for all the complaints about Clinton and Obama from the left, I haven't heard of them being accused of putting conservatives on the bench). Congress then passes priority 1 which is updated voting rights legislation which everyone from AOC to Manchin should be on board with. Then he puts tax brackets at least back to Obama era while modestly expanding the ACA.

With a more favorable judiciary, higher taxes and expanded govt run healthcare including perhaps a public option, the groundwork has been laid for even further progressive legislation under the next Dem President who presumably will be younger than 80 years old. Who knows if Biden even runs for a 2nd term? If not that's the time for the left to pounce and finally seize the reigns. Think back to the great progressive legislation of the 1960's. Dems won the '58 mid terms then the Presidency in '60. They held their own due to Kennedy's popularity in '62 and then had a big victory in '64 with Johnson finishing up what JFK started and then going even further after a succession of electoral victories over the previous 8 years.
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None of this happens without 50+ cloture. Would the grudging, middle of the road Democratic party, quickly losing steam and alienating everyone to the left of Evan Bayh, even do that? More likely we wind up with Obama 2.0 Except This Time Old, White, and Uncharismatic, and then the inevitable Dump-like reaction in 2024 with Don Jr. or some even more outrageous troll.
 
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Kepler said:
The trick is to become realistic without being cynical.
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Agreed. I think the ones that become jaded/cynical give up on the process altogether, stop voting, and become as useless as t*ts on a boar in the political process.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That's a big hill with one of the parties only interested in completely destroying the Republic.
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I think that helps. It's far easier to retain your ideals when the world is Good vs Evil (2000 - present) then it is when both parties are a cartel colluding to serve the Plutes and keep the rest of rest of us divided (1980 - 2000).
 
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Kepler said:
None of this happens without 50+ cloture. Would the grudging, middle of the road Democratic party, quickly losing steam and alienating everyone to the left of Evan Bayh, even do that? More likely we wind up with Obama 2.0 Except This Time Old, White, and Uncharismatic, and then the inevitable Dump-like reaction in 2024 with Don Jr. or some even more outrageous troll.
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Kep, its up to the progressives to keep up the fight. Think about the senate races coming up.

A Dem majority rests on Hickenlooper, Mark Kelly, Cal Cunningham, and Sara Gideon winning their races. I'm not aware of any of those people being considered flaming liberals. I think Cunningham is facing a primary from the left. The others may have cleared the field. So, the 50/50 Senate needs people like Tester and Manchin to supply the majority votes. So, what's a progressive to do?

In 2022, which is going to be a CRITICAL election if future liberal legislation is to be enacted, the left needs to elect their own people. Flip the seats in WI, FL, PA and NC with lefties. If Grassley, Patty Murray or Pat Leahy retire make sure you get your candidates in there too. There's a tremendous opportunity, regardless of who's President, to remake the Senate. The Bernie-AOC crowd needs to take advantage if they want to drive the bus.
 
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Rover said:
I'll have to dig it up but in maybe the South Carolina contest most of the new voters ended up voting Biden! Now that doesn't necessarily mean young people. More likely its former Republicans who've finally thrown in the towel after realizing their party is run by Nazis.
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Actually in South Carolina, it was probably Republicans deliberately trying to throw the election to Biden, who will then turn around and vote for Dump in the General.
 
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Rover said:
Kep, its up to the progressives to keep up the fight. Think about the senate races coming up.

A Dem majority rests on Hickenlooper, Mark Kelly, Cal Cunningham, and Sara Gideon winning their races. I'm not aware of any of those people being considered flaming liberals. I think Cunningham is facing a primary from the left. The others may have cleared the field. So, the 50/50 Senate needs people like Tester and Manchin to supply the majority votes. So, what's a progressive to do?

In 2022, which is going to be a CRITICAL election if future liberal legislation is to be enacted, the left needs to elect their own people. Flip the seats in WI, FL, PA and NC with lefties. If Grassley, Patty Murray or Pat Leahy retire make sure you get your candidates in there too. There's a tremendous opportunity, regardless of who's President, to remake the Senate. The Bernie-AOC crowd needs to take advantage if they want to drive the bus.
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The Left's commitment is never at issue. The Center has to learn that a partnership is two equals, not a driver and a passenger.
 
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Kepler said:
The Left's commitment is never at issue.
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Don't think you can say that Kep. Not yet anyway.

FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Actually in South Carolina, it was probably Republicans deliberately trying to throw the election to Biden, who will then turn around and vote for Dump in the General.
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More like Republicans looking to ratfuk the Dem election voted Sanders because that's what the cult leadership is telling them to do.
 
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Kepler said:
The Left's commitment is never at issue. The Center has to learn that a partnership is two equals, not a bus driver and a passenger.
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If Tester and Manchin go out of their way to sabotage the agenda of Bernie then they get primaried (which probably needs to happen before Manchin becomes a Republican anyhow). Also the president has executive power they can wield which he somehow just conveniently ignores.
 
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Kepler said:
I think that helps. It's far easier to retain your ideals when the world is Good vs Evil (2000 - present) then it is when both parties are a cartel colluding to serve the Plutes and keep the rest of rest of us divided (1980 - 2000).
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The problem you guys are going to discover in the next decade or so is this. You shot your wad on defining the Republicans. In politics, for purposes of arguing you're good and the other side is evil, you really can't go any further than calling someone the party of autocratic, fascist, nazi dictators (a/k/a: Hitler).

Now what?

You have to raise the fear level or people stop being afraid. What's the next step?
 
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SJHovey said:
The problem you guys are going to discover in the next decade or so is this. You shot your wad on defining the Republicans. In politics, for purposes of arguing you're good and the other side is evil, you really can't go any further than calling someone the party of autocratic, fascist, nazi dictators (a/k/a: Hitler).

Now what?

You have to raise the fear level or people stop being afraid. What's the next step?
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Your problem is you don't realize it isn't marketing. You don't have a mirror.

The "next step" is the right stops being fascist or it loses national elections in perpetuity or it tries to end democracy. So. Pick.
 
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Hovey just sounds like the never Trumpers who lied us into a war in Iraq and paved the way for Trump but don't actually want to accept any complicity and so they say, "the left did this!".
 
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