Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

[trixR4kids]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

Of course they want Manchin to win. They know Swearengin would lose.

There's literally no evidence to support this lol. If she got more votes in the primary than anyone on the R side then how exactly is she a guarantee to lose the general?

The reality is the party likes to protect incumbents, especially the more conservative ones like Manchin and even pro-life ones like Tester.

I doubt he was touting in his campaign ads that DC Democrats wanted him to win. I see one where he’s got a gun in his hands. Both DC Democrats and Manchin know that having their public backing is not an asset in West Virginia.

Who do you think pays for all these ads? He also got an endorsement from high ranking dems right before voting happened.

Manchin is better than any republican that would replace him. He could have killed Obamacare or voted against impeachment, both of which would have played well back home, but he didn't. You primary him and put up someone significantly to his left, then that puts the senate majority even further out of the Democrat's reach.

Suggesting we primary Manchin is lunacy.

He could've voted against drunky mc-rapist too but he didn't. And just blindly waving your arms and asserting something is true doesn't make it so.

 

[psych]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

Manchin is better than any republican that would replace him. He could have killed Obamacare or voted against impeachment, both of which would have played well back home, but he didn't. You primary him and put up someone significantly to his left, then that puts the senate majority even further out of the Democrat's reach.

Suggesting we primary Manchin is lunacy.

This, in more succinct terms than I used.

 

[Rover]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

He's your mini-me Kep! You might want to give trix a timeout and have a chat with him.

 

[unofan]

So assuming this is true we probably shouldn't vote for Biden because that will lead to Trump. Thanks for making my case for me!

You don't cave to terrorists. Thanks for proving that Bernie Bros. will act like them.

 

[rufus]

It's always marketing.

Speaking of old and cynical.......

 

[BassAle]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

Actually in South Carolina, it was probably Republicans deliberately trying to throw the election to Biden, who will then turn around and vote for Dump in the General.

Trump encouraged supporters in South Carolina to vote for Sanders:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/politics/trump-south-carolina-rally-democratic-primary/index.html

Ukraine and his obsession over the Biden family shows who Trump is the most afraid of.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

The circular argument around Manchin is hilarious. Well if you primary him and the left person beats Manchin then they'll lose even though they were more popular than Manchin! Therefore primarying Manchin guarantees the seat goes to the GOP because this super popular senator lost to someone more popular and this totally makes sense!

You don't cave to terrorists. Thanks for proving that Bernie Bros. will act like them.

Nobody proved anything and it's sad that I need to explain this to a lawyer lmfao.

 

[Deleted member 3166]

So assuming this is true we probably shouldn't vote for Biden because that will lead to Trump. Thanks for making my case for me!

That you took that out of that statement...is sad.

 

[rufus]

Yeah but you're sorta ignoring the part where the party put its foot firmly on the scale to keep Manchin in power. With a progressive democrat as president this could change.

And a progressive democrat in that state gets trounced by any Republican.

 

[BassAle]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

The circular argument around Manchin is hilarious. Well if you primary him and the left person beats Manchin then they'll lose even though they were more popular than Manchin! Therefore primarying Manchin guarantees the seat goes to the GOP because this super popular senator lost to someone more popular and this totally makes sense!

holy **** you're a ****ing idiot. Manchin needs conservatives to vote for him in WV. Trump got over 68% of the vote in WV. You think some of those people will split the ticket between Trump and someone to the left of Manchin?

When Manchin is gone, WV is lost. The pipeline of old-school conservative Democrats that Trump supporting West Virginians will vote for is going to dry up.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

Except for the part where we don't.

Stop pretending you speak for all Bernie backers. I am one and you definitely dont speak for me

And there are plenty that do. That you purposefully avoid them doesnt mean they dont exist. I purposefully avoid my parents but trust me they still exist

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

That you took that out of that statement...is sad.

You're the one making the case that Bernie voters will only vote for Bernie. That's a sizable chunk of the electorate. If Biden wins then by your theory he's going to lose to Trump. So, if you're voting strategically, and you think the opposite isn't true, it's pretty obvious that you should vote for Bernie in this case if your main concern is beating Trump. Do I need to break this down any further or can a SCCC grad follow this?

And a progressive democrat in that state gets trounced by any Republican.

Yes a prog democrat beats the super popular unbeatable D senator and then loses in the general because ~reasons~ is a good argument.

 

[BassAle]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

Yes a prog democrat beats the super popular unbeatable D senator and then loses in the general because ~reasons~ is a good argument.

the electorate in the primary is much different from the electorate in the general (that will vote 2:1 for Trump)

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

holy **** you're a ****ing idiot. Manchin needs conservatives to vote for him in WV. Trump got over 68% of the vote in WV. You think some of those people will split the ticket between Trump and someone to the left of Manchin?

When Manchin is gone, WV is lost. The pipeline of old-school conservative Democrats that Trump supporting West Virginians will vote for is going to dry up.

There is no winning by trying to force WV into progressivism. D candidates should be allowed to meet the needs of their constituents. As long as Joe isn’t voting with Rs on the big things.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

When Manchin is gone, WV is lost. The pipeline of old-school conservative Democrats that Trump supporting West Virginians will vote for is going to dry up.

If a progressive wins against Manchin then this clearly isn't the case. Not saying it's super likely to happen, he'd probably survive the challenge but in the hypothetical where someone to the left beats him then the dynamic has clearly changed from what you're describing. And yes Trump won bigly against Hillary, good thing we're not nominating Hillary for this hypothetical challenge.

As long as Joe isn’t voting with Rs on the big things.

He kinda is though.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

Actually this is not correct. The parties can do whatever they want to select their candidate. Given how things are turning out I'd have to say Perez has done just as bad a job as the last chair. If the party wants a Democratic system they can employ a Democratic system. But, they don't have to. Hell, the Presidential election isn't Democratic either.

I know they can do what they want. And I can complain that their procedures and plans are stupid and make them all hypocrites. That is the beauty of this country Scooby

2016 Dems: Bernie should accept the results and support Clinton!
2020 Dems: We dont like the results so we gotta stop Bernie!

Sounds about right for a bungling bunch of nimrods like the current Democratic Party.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

the electorate in the primary is much different from the electorate in the general (that will vote 2:1 for Trump)

It is but not necessarily in the way you're describing in which Hillary is the candidate who offers literally nothing to the ppl of WVA.

 

[BassAle]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

If a progressive wins against Manchin then this clearly isn't the case.

general election != primary

Bernie isn't winning WV either

 

[BassAle]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

I know they can do what they want. And I can complain that their procedures and plans are stupid and make them all hypocrites. That is the beauty of this country Scooby

2016 Dems: Bernie should accept the results and support Clinton!
2020 Dems: We dont like the results so we gotta stop Bernie!

Sounds about right for a bungling bunch of nimrods like the current Democratic Party.

Bernie isn't a lock for winning the plurality of delegates.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Today's results should help the model settle down a bit.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

I know they can do what they want. And I can complain that their procedures and plans are stupid and make them all hypocrites. That is the beauty of this country Scooby

2016 Dems: Bernie should accept the results and support Clinton!
2020 Dems: We dont like the results so we gotta stop Bernie!

Sounds about right for a bungling bunch of nimrods like the current Democratic Party.

The blew it when they hired Perez. At this point we just have to hope the voters salvage whatever is left.