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Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries

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WeWantMore said:
The GOP should immediately yank her committee assignments.
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The GOP should back her to the hilt. :p

Like WWM, I really doubt a write-in campaign could work for statewide office, but if there's one place it could, it's Alaska.

We have some posters from The Last Frontier, right? What do they think?
 
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While I completely agree that this is sour grapes, at some point you have to ask the question of why this keeps happening. To me these teabaggers aren't reaching out to their opponents and trying to make nice afterwards. A simple phone call thanking the incumbent for their service and asking for their support might go a long way. With two weeks to think about it, this didn't have to happen. It fits with these candidates being angry, bitter people, and some times a concilliatory gesture goes a long way.

A hundred years ago when I was in high school, a relative of mine ran for office. An intense campaign that he ended up winning. So I'm reading the paper the next day, and he's in there saying how so and so worked hard when in office and he'd welcome any help or advise his opponent had to give. I said to my relative "what's up with your speech saying how great your opponent was? You can't stand the guy." What he told me is "the elections's over. I won. What's the point of blasting the guy afterwards in the newspapers?" I'm thinking the Millers and O'Donnells of the world should have learned that lesson too. You can reach out to some of these officeholders and work some things out, but I'm getting a my-way-or-the-highway vibe out of these people that usually doesn't end well.
 
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Rover said:
While I completely agree that this is sour grapes, at some point you have to ask the question of why this keeps happening. To me these teabaggers aren't reaching out to their opponents and trying to make nice afterwards. A simple phone call thanking the incumbent for their service and asking for their support might go a long way. With two weeks to think about it, this didn't have to happen. It fits with these candidates being angry, bitter people, and some times a concilliatory gesture goes a long way.
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Eh, I think sometimes it comes down more on the side of the defeated candidate than the winner. I mean, the Kentucky primary between Paul and Grayson was no less contentious than Alaska's was, but they still managed to get together on the Saturday after the primary and pretend not to hate each other. On the other hand, Murkowski clearly has an unhealthy desire to be a Senator ("Thanks Daddy"), and I'm really not sure any amount of reaching out by Miller would have fixed that.

Of course, there's also situations like Delaware, where O'Donnell tried to insinuate in multiple ways that Castle didn't exact play for the right team so to speak. That kind of stuff isn't going to be solved by a phone call saying, "Hey buddy, sorry I intimated that you were gay. My bad. Best Friends?'
 
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Kepler said:
BTW, if you want to put Palin in the same category as Eleanor Holmes Norton, I am right there with you. There's no IQ test for being in the party cognoscenti. :)
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Keep trying.

Funny how a NON-VOTING member of congress is corrupt. Funny how the party of corruption complains about the culture of corruption... probably don't like it that somebody else is infringing on their turf.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Eh, I think sometimes it comes down more on the side of the defeated candidate than the winner. I mean, the Kentucky primary between Paul and Grayson was no less contentious than Alaska's was, but they still managed to get together on the Saturday after the primary and pretend not to hate each other. On the other hand, Murkowski clearly has an unhealthy desire to be a Senator ("Thanks Daddy"), and I'm really not sure any amount of reaching out by Miller would have fixed that.

Of course, there's also situations like Delaware, where O'Donnell tried to insinuate in multiple ways that Castle didn't exact play for the right team so to speak. That kind of stuff isn't going to be solved by a phone call saying, "Hey buddy, sorry I intimated that you were gay. My bad. Best Friends?'
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Which gets to my point about these candidates. O'Donnell need not have insinuated Castle was playing for the other team. I'm not sure what's wrong with people like that.

Regarding Murkowski, what I think helps her position somewhat is early voting where she can most likely get the word out on how to vote for her, and the fact that she has millions to spend in a cheap state to spend it. She's also going to blast the p!ss out of Miller for the next 7 weeks. This one is going to be the nastiest race of the year, and that's saying something.
 
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Rover said:
Which gets to my point about these candidates. O'Donnell need not have insinuated Castle was playing for the other team. I'm not sure what's wrong with people like that.
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Sure, but that's hardly a Tea Party only issue is it? I mean, dirty stuff like that has been going on in campaigns forever.
 
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Patman said:
the party of corruption
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Anyone who seriously believes either party is inherently more corrupt is naive. Party-wide, the key to corruption isn't party ID, it's incumbency and access to the goodies. The last guy who pulled off an uncorrupt incumbent administration was probably Grover Cleveland (little known trivia: known as being scrupulously ethical).

That doesn't mean particular people don't set new lows in corruption.
 
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Kepler said:
Anyone who seriously believes either party is inherently more corrupt is naive. Party-wide, the key to corruption isn't party ID, it's incumbency and access to the goodies.

That doesn't mean particular people don't set new lows in corruption.
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This. I laugh every time I read or hear that one or the other is "better"
 
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The other point I'll bring up is it seems that GOP election predictions = Jets Super Bowl predictions. Any perceived strength is magnified while any deficiency is pooh-poohed in the press. If the mayor of Las Vegas lauched a third party bid against Harry Reid lets say, we'd be seeing coverage about how the Dems were splitting in two 24 hours a day. Likewise if the Dems p ! ssed away a Senate seat by nominating an ideologue instead of a sure winner. At some point, like watching the Jets, you have to start thinking that maybe these people are as smart as they want us all to think they are. ;)
 
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Rover said:
The other point I'll bring up is it seems that GOP election predictions = Jets Super Bowl predictions. Any perceived strength is magnified while any deficiency is pooh-poohed in the press. If the mayor of Las Vegas lauched a third party bid against Harry Reid lets say, we'd be seeing coverage about how the Dems were splitting in two 24 hours a day. Likewise if the Dems p ! ssed away a Senate seat by nominating an ideologue instead of a sure winner. At some point, like watching the Jets, you have to start thinking that maybe these people are as smart as they want us all to think they are. ;)
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They want a story. In the same way, the press overestimated the backlash against Dubya in their predictions in '04. Then they had to invent the "values voter" to explain why their predictions were wrong.

I think the Dems are going to have their heads handed to them in November, but certainly right now the MSM is magnifying every story that confirms that narrative. It's what they do, which is why I get a kick out of the partisans claiming they're "liberal." They're just story whores. That's why they loved Monica so much. If MSNBC or Fox was presented with a Monica story with one of their pets, they would kill it. The allegedly liberal MSM led with it every day for a year.
 
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Kepler said:
Anyone who seriously believes either party is inherently more corrupt is naive. Party-wide, the key to corruption isn't party ID, it's incumbency and access to the goodies. The last guy who pulled off an uncorrupt incumbent administration was probably Grover Cleveland (little known trivia: known as being scrupulously ethical).

That doesn't mean particular people don't set new lows in corruption.
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Probably the last clean politician from New Jersey.
 
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joecct said:
Probably the last clean politician from New Jersey.
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Huh. I did not know that. I always thought he was an Albany hack who got away from his handlers and bit the hand that fed him, to great national benefit.
 
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Kepler said:
I suspect all the money is on that southern strip of Mass tax refugees.
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Most of the wealth in NH is really concentrated in 3 areas. The first being along the seacoast (Exeter, Rye, etc.) where it's mostly UNH grads or folks who work for the university. Second would be folks up around Lake Winnipesaukee (slightly north of Concord). French president Sarkozy took a vacation up there a few years back, and one of Obama's kids was up there for summer camp. Lastly would be the I-93 corridor you spoke of between the MA border and Manchester, most notably Windham and Bedford.

Everywhere else, it's a mish-mash of typical working-class folks (trades, retail workers, entry-level white collar), drug dealers (who clearly don't report their income on such surveys), and assorted white trash.
 
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Kepler said:
Huh. I did not know that. I always thought he was an Albany hack who got away from his handlers and bit the hand that fed him, to great national benefit.
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A mere technicality, my SUNY-Ithaca friend. Grover was born in Caldwell, NJ but did, like many a New Jerseyite, found employment in the Empire State and had his political career there.
 
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Just saw a new TV spot in which Bernero runs an ad attacking Snyder for his supposed "extreme pro-life" stance.

All the crap going on in Michigan, and we're making abortion an issue... :rolleyes:
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Just saw a new TV spot in which Bernero runs an ad attacking Snyder for his supposed "extreme pro-life" stance.

All the crap going on in Michigan, and we're making abortion an issue... :rolleyes:
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He's down by 30 points, he has to find something to hang his hat on.
 
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IrishWildcat said:
Everywhere else, it's a mish-mash of typical working-class folks (trades, retail workers, entry-level white collar), drug dealers (who clearly don't report their income on such surveys), and assorted white trash.
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Cool. I know a few posters from New Hampshire. Tell me what category the following people fit into....

;)
 
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