Days Since Last Shooting II

[alfablue]

Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

We're dying on highways in large numbers, and with amazing technology to try to prevent that as well. Like I said, what else to do? Scoob actually proposed a solution; I posited why not take the final step and eliminate the Second.

Just taking it to that extreme that fast pretty much says that you are not going to want to regulate arms what so ever.

Even though they, like cars, can be made easily to be less able to kill that many people AND that quickly. How reducing the magazine size and reduce the rate of fire is amount to eliminating the 2nd Amendment is beyond me.

But since that's totally off the table, you are ok with guns that can kill that many people, that quickly. We will never, ever, find all of the evil people. Ever.

So that means you are resigned to accept these killings. So please don't insult the victims that you care that they died. You are not willing to do anything.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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How about treat the Constitutional right as the founders intended based on their language and voiced intentions.

No.
I'm being told more and more stringent regulations (as proposed by Scoob) is the solution.

If that's the case, why not eliminate the whole source of the issue: rescind the Second. Follow the Constitutional process and rescind the Second Amendment. Problem solved.


Do that and I'm in. Why? The Constitution.

 

[French Rage]

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Granted information is still coming in, but given the suspect's domestic conflicts, this may be a major explanation: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...4c4e4b0c96530004f11?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

NEW BRAUNFELS, Texas ― The man police blamed for Sunday’s mass shooting appeared to target a small Texas church attended by his mother-in-law.

Devin Patrick Kelley, the 26-year-old suspected gunman, was involved in a “domestic situation” with his wife and her parents, Freeman Martin, regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said during a news conference Monday.

“It’s a senseless crime, but we can tell you that there was a domestic situation going on within this family,” Martin said. “The suspect’s mother-in-law attended this church. We know that he had made threatening texts.”

 

[The Rube]

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The narrative IS pro-gun vs anti-gun and that's why nothing gets done.

And yes, people like you are in fact feeding it.


Why would you call yourself "pro-gun?"

I'm reasonably sure that you don't even own one.


I'm in favor of people being able to legally own guns, but I would never identify as "pro-gun."

I'm also in favor of banning certain guns that civilians have no need to own, but I also wouldn't identify as "anti-gun."


The solutions are in the middle and taking a stance on either end of the spectrum contributes to the current stasis.

I don't own a gun because I have no need for a gun. Pro-gun is bad phrasing. I'm FOR anyone who qualifies to own a gun is able to do so.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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The church where this wife abusing, child abusing, avowed atheist, murder's mother-in-law attended Christian church services. <-- There's a missing piece of the puzzle.


Side bar:
Why's it seem so many of the details break first in British papers?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5054531/Shooter-targeted-church-ex-s-laws-worshiped.html

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I don't own a gun because I have no need for a gun. Pro-gun is bad phrasing. I'm FOR anyone who qualifies to own a gun is able to do so.

I suspect you're more in favor of the Constitution. If it's in there support it. If it's not don't. And if it's no longer needed, follow the process and eliminate it.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The church where this wife abusing, child abusing, avowed atheist, murder's mother-in-law attended Christian church services. <-- There's a missing piece of the puzzle.


Side bar:
Why's it seem so many of the details break first in British papers?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5054531/Shooter-targeted-church-ex-s-laws-worshiped.html

Heck, sometimes they report it 20 minutes before it happens. Same thing happened with Vegas and WTC 7.

 

[unofan]

If it's in there support it. If it's not don't.

LOLWUT.

The Constitution is a set of laws, not a moral code.

As an attorney I took an oath to uphold it when I was sworn in to the bar as an officer of the court, but that doesn't mean I worship it as some divinely inspired infallible code. Because it's not.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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LOLWUT.

The Constitution is a set of laws, not a moral code.

As an attorney I took an oath to uphold it when I was sworn in, but that doesn't mean I worship it as some divinely inspired infallible code. Because it's not.

What I meant is, don't pretend there are things in there that aren't. Follow the process; add or subtract per process as needed.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I keep hearing that cars are weapons, so maybe we should just try to get a court to declare the 2nd amendment also covers cars as a form of arms.

Could you do that?



Kidding. Kind of...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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What I meant is, don't pretend there are things in there that aren't. Follow the process; add or subtract per process as needed.

Yes, let's waste our time "fixing" the Constitution. While the carnage ensues. Good plan.

 

[Kepler]

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Who would Jesus shoot?

Just hours after a mass shooting left at least 26 people dead at a small Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, state Attorney General Ken Paxton appeared on Fox News. His message to Texans: Bring a gun to church.

“As a Texan, as a father, can you wrap your brain around what we’re learning today, that children were killed, children were shot, the 14-year-old daughter of the pastor was killed in this type of attack? As a country, what do we do? How can we get our arms around this and stop this insanity?” Fox News anchor Eric Shawn asked Paxton.

“All I can say is, you know, in Texas at least we have the opportunity to have concealed-carry, And so if it’s a place where somebody has the ability to carry, there’s always the opportunity that gunman will be taken out before he has the opportunity to kill very many people,” Paxton replied.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Yes, let's waste our time "fixing" the Constitution. While the carnage ensues. Good plan.

It's no different than the legislative changes you're proposing; however, the changes would assuredly be Constitutional, by definition.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It's no different than the legislative changes you're proposing; however, the changes would assuredly be Constitutional, by definition.

All my changes fall under the Heller decision.

You're just another gun owner who doesn't want responsible gun ownership.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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It's no different than the legislative changes you're proposing; however, the changes would assuredly be Constitutional, by definition.

Or just get a bunch of activist judges to "interpret" the law in a manner completely apart from the Constitution. Just like Hill-dawg wanted to do after she had Scalia murdered.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Who would Jesus shoot?

Call the home office, extension 2264.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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All my changes fall under the Heller decision.

You're just another gun owner who doesn't want responsible gun ownership.

It's not up to a bureaucrat to determine responsibility. You don't have to be prompted to "do the right thing", whatever you happen to believe the "right thing" is.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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All my changes fall under the Heller decision.

You're just another gun owner who doesn't want responsible gun ownership.

Enacting your changes or making a single change will take the same amount of legislative time and effort.
One has a greater air of permanency and is undeniably Constitutional (unlike potential over-fiddling on the Heller knobs).

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Enacting your changes and making a single change will take the same amount of legislative time and effort.
And one is permanent and undeniably Constitutional (unlike potential over-fiddling on the Heller knobs).

You're being ridiculous and dumb. Changing the Constitution takes a lot more effort than what I am proposing and you know it. Either way it's not going to happen. We will continue to do nothing. Already vast majorities in poll after poll have indicated to Congress to do something and nothing happens.

All you had to do was watch Trump's reaction to Vegas, than New York, and now Texas to understand what really is going on in this country. It's plain as day.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Changing the Constitution takes a lot more effort than what I am proposing and you know it.

By the time all the Constitutional challenges are done and new laws actually enacted, I'm betting the same level of effort legislative and judicial effort would be expended. You know it; I know it.