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Days Since Last Shooting II

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The Sicatoka said:
A $23 million dollar, over 28 years, bogeyman.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=d000000082&cycle=2014

For reference and comparison, the NEA over the same time period has donated five times more money.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000064&cycle=2016
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Just In Case You Want All the Facts

The NRA’s biggest chunk of spending on politics came from "outside spending," consisting largely of "independent expenditures" — efforts "expressly advocating the election or defeat of a clearly identified candidate." Often these take the form of campaign ads, but they are carried out without coordinating with the candidates they are supporting.

This type of spending vastly outpaces what the NRA spent on giving to candidates directly. The NRA spent $144.3 million on outside spending, such as independent expenditures, during that period.

In addition, the NRA since 1998 has reported spending a cumulative $45.9 million on federal lobbying, both for its in-house operations and the outside consultants it has retained.

If you add it all up -- candidate and party contributions, independent expenditures, and lobbying -- the NRA has spent $203.2 million on political activities since 1998.
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Keep trying though...you almost had a point but then, as per usual, you twisted it into something it isnt. Just keep pretending though your precious NRA isnt doing what everyone literally sees them do, I am sure if you close your eyes and wish real hard it will come true. Here in the real world though we know this is just another in a long line of BS things you post here that prove your lack of any credibility :D
 
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Handyman said:
Just In Case You Want All the Facts



Keep trying though...you almost had a point but then, as per usual, you twisted it into something it isnt. Just keep pretending though your precious NRA isnt doing what everyone literally sees them do, I am sure if you close your eyes and wish real hard it will come true. Here in the real world though we know this is just another in a long line of BS things you post here that prove your lack of any credibility :D
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Does the NEA do any "outside spending?"
 
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SJHovey said:
Does the NEA do any "outside spending?"
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I dont know, I am sure they do. So what?

He wants to pretend the NRA isnt influencing gun regulation in this country...he used the NEA spending as proof of it. One literally has zero to do with the other irregardless of the fact that his number was incomplete. If his point was dollars dont make a difference he MIGHT have a point minus the truth that the facts bare out a different story.

But here...lets just boil it down to a simple question...do you think the NRA has influence over gun policy in this country? Why or why not?
 
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Handyman said:
I dont know, I am sure they do. So what?

He wants to pretend the NRA isnt influencing gun regulation in this country...he used the NEA spending as proof of it. One literally has zero to do with the other irregardless of the fact that his number was incomplete. If his point was dollars dont make a difference he MIGHT have a point minus the truth that the facts bare out a different story.

But here...lets just boil it down to a simple question...do you think the NRA has influence over gun policy in this country? Why or why not?
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I think the NRA has influence over gun policy in the U.S. I sometimes think their influence is overstated, but they certainly spend money on advertising and on political campaigns.
 
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SJHovey said:
I think the NRA has influence over gun policy in the U.S. I sometimes think their influence is overstated, but they certainly spend money on advertising and on political campaigns.
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They are considered one of the two most powerful pressure groups in the country, along with the AARP. They control the second-largest and most passionate single-issue voting bloc in the country.

They're a third rail -- you cross them you die.
 
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Kepler said:
They are considered one of the two most powerful pressure groups in the country, along with the AARP. They control the second-largest and most passionate single-issue voting bloc in the country.

They're a third rail -- you cross them you die.
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Yeah but what about the NEA...
 
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Kepler said:
They are considered one of the two most powerful pressure groups in the country, along with the AARP. They control the second-largest and most passionate single-issue voting bloc in the country.

They're a third rail -- you cross them you die.
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Sure, they have influence. But that's because people believe passionately in their particular cause.

I think the point that Sic was trying to make is that while the NRA spends money on political contributions to candidates, overall it's a small drop in the bucket compared with other contributions to candidates.

The NRA is successful not because of the amount of money they spend, but because they are very good at what they do and their target audience already feels strongly about their message. It would be like saying that the only way to convince North Dakota hockey fans to oppose the change of name of their team is to spend a lot of money on advertising or political contributions.
 
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Follow up on that friend of a my friend who was shot in the Las Vegas massacre, he's survived. His kids have been viisiting him in the hospital, and he does some limited walking. Two shots in the back, one put him in critical condition, and now it's only a matter of time and PT to get back to as close as normal as he and his family can be.
 
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SJHovey said:
Sure, they have influence. But that's because people believe passionately in their particular cause.

I think the point that Sic was trying to make is that while the NRA spends money on political contributions to candidates, overall it's a small drop in the bucket compared with other contributions to candidates.

The NRA is successful not because of the amount of money they spend, but because they are very good at what they do and their target audience already feels strongly about their message. It would be like saying that the only way to convince North Dakota hockey fans to oppose the change of name of their team is to spend a lot of money on advertising or political contributions.
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If that was Sics point he made it poorly. (like most of his points) And even going by your addition to his point it doesnt exactly fly. If that were the case than, as Sic tried to imply, the NEA would have the same sort of influence. It isnt like their membership isnt highly active and motivated. Yet they have almost none. The NRA has supporters on both sides of the aisle because the NRA makes it a wedge issue. If you dare support any sort of reform they not only pull their contributions but they buy ad time against you. (you know, the stuff not covered in Sica's stats) Hell even when their membership disagrees with the leadership (many support a lot of the reforms in some capacity) it doesnt matter so it cant just be about how strong they care about the message.

Your parallel is off. What the NRA would be doing isnt trying to convince UND fans to support the keeping of the name it would be UND telling advertisers/businesses that if they dont 100% back keeping the name UND will not associate with said business but they will actively support all competitors and try and put them out of business.
 
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SJHovey said:
It's the term Handy used. He asked me whether I thought they had influence and I said yes.
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No, that's not what my problem is. My problem is you poo pooed it. Like they don't have any. Lobbyist write the laws in this country. The NRA writes the gun laws. They have more than influence. They have total control.
 
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St. Clown said:
Follow up on that friend of a my friend who was shot in the Las Vegas massacre, he's survived. His kids have been viisiting him in the hospital, and he does some limited walking. Two shots in the back, one put him in critical condition, and now it's only a matter of time and PT to get back to as close as normal as he and his family can be.
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Glad to hear he's doing ok.
 
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Handyman said:
If that was Sics point he made it poorly. (like most of his points) And even going by your addition to his point it doesnt exactly fly. If that were the case than, as Sic tried to imply, the NEA would have the same sort of influence. It isnt like their membership isnt highly active and motivated. Yet they have almost none. The NRA has supporters on both sides of the aisle because the NRA makes it a wedge issue. If you dare support any sort of reform they not only pull their contributions but they buy ad time against you. (you know, the stuff not covered in Sica's stats) Hell even when their membership disagrees with the leadership (many support a lot of the reforms in some capacity) it doesnt matter so it cant just be about how strong they care about the message.

Your parallel is off. What the NRA would be doing isnt trying to convince UND fans to support the keeping of the name it would be UND telling advertisers/businesses that if they dont 100% back keeping the name UND will not associate with said business but they will actively support all competitors and try and put them out of business.
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The NEA has plenty of influence, but probably has to pay a lot more for it than the NRA does. The reason is that people don't get all excited about NEA lobby points, all of which are just basically code for higher teacher pay. The public is just "meh." That's why the NEA has to donate ten times the money to politicians that the NRA does. People don't get on their phones and call their congressman about "No Child Left Behind." At least not like they do if someone suggests gun control.
 
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joecct said:
Maryland & Delaware

https://wtop.com/maryland/2017/10/police-capture-shooter-they-say-targeted-6-people-he-knew/slide/1/

With his history, how did he obtain the weapon? Waiting for future developments (that will be buried on page 45 next to foreclosures).
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Huh? This was all over our local news yesterday, and we're not in either state. I swear his name was originally reported as Akbar Ahmed Muhammed or something.

This is without doubt the most interesting thing that ever happened in Elkton. If you ever want to know what Nassau County looks like, imagine if Elkton had 2 million people.
 
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The NRA spends just like other American PACs.
But the NRA seems to have more influence.
So why is that?

Dare I say the electorate seems to follow through with their POV at the ballot box.
Like Kep(?) said, they control a third rail. But that third rail is only hot because of an electorate at the ballot box.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Like Kep(?) said, they control a third rail. But that third rail is only hot because of an electorate at the ballot box.
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That's fair as far as it goes, but that rail is hot because they've poured an enormous amount of energy into terrifying gun owners.

NRA : guns :: AARP : social security

Both used spectacularly over-the-top rhetoric to deny even modest changes on the "slippery slope" theory. Both have demonized their political opponents in wildly emotional terms. Both rule by fear, not reason.
 
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