What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

Days Since Last Shooting II

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

So as discussed many times...there is a tight state relationship between lax gun laws and gun deaths. However, that doesn't always seem to hold in cities. For example, New Orleans and St. Louis are pretty much at the top in the heap for rate of gun death and those states have lax gun laws. Yet, Baltimore and Chicago also have pretty high gun deaths even though they have much stricter gun laws. What gives?

A new study from 538 took a look at that and discovered that much of the gun violence committed in these stricter gun law cities comes from lax gun law neighbors - a whopping 60% of guns used to commit crimes in Chicago from 2009 to 2013 came from other states (notably IN and WI).

These findings significantly reinforce the importance of gun laws by further showing that strict gun laws are definitely working...and that lax gun laws are resulting in even more deaths than thought.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

5mn_Major said:
So as discussed many times...there is a tight state relationship between lax gun laws and gun deaths. However, that doesn't always seem to hold in cities. For example, New Orleans and St. Louis are pretty much at the top in the heap for rate of gun death and those states have lax gun laws. Yet, Baltimore and Chicago also have pretty high gun deaths even though they have much stricter gun laws. What gives?

A new study from 538 took a look at that and discovered that much of the gun violence committed in these stricter gun law cities comes from lax gun law neighbors - a whopping 60% of guns used to commit crimes in Chicago from 2009 to 2013 came from other states (notably IN and WI).

These findings significantly reinforce the importance of gun laws by further showing that strict gun laws are definitely working...and that lax gun laws are resulting in even more deaths than thought.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/
Click to expand...

Surprise, surprise. Not surprising to me.
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

5mn_Major said:
So as discussed many times...there is a tight state relationship between lax gun laws and gun deaths. However, that doesn't always seem to hold in cities. For example, New Orleans and St. Louis are pretty much at the top in the heap for rate of gun death and those states have lax gun laws. Yet, Baltimore and Chicago also have pretty high gun deaths even though they have much stricter gun laws. What gives?

A new study from 538 took a look at that and discovered that much of the gun violence committed in these stricter gun law cities comes from lax gun law neighbors - a whopping 60% of guns used to commit crimes in Chicago from 2009 to 2013 came from other states (notably IN and WI).

These findings significantly reinforce the importance of gun laws by further showing that strict gun laws are definitely working...and that lax gun laws are resulting in even more deaths than thought.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/
Click to expand...

You mean when there are lax gun laws an hours drive away people exploit that? Shut the **** up...
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

Any blame assigned to the trigger puller or is he/she an unfortunate victim of circumstance?
 
jerphisch said:
Holy ****. Seed corn you are not...
Click to expand...

A gun by itself just sitting on a counter is neither good nor evil. A gun, by itself, cannot do anything. However, when it is picked up by a human being it becomes the instrument of mayhem or good, depending on the intent of the human.

Do we blame the car when a drunk plows into another vehicle and kills (murders?) a family? Of course not. We charge the drunk and let ju$tice take its course.
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

joecct said:
A gun by itself just sitting on a counter is neither good nor evil. A gun, by itself, cannot do anything. However, when it is picked up by a human being it becomes the instrument of mayhem or good, depending on the intent of the human.

Do we blame the car when a drunk plows into another vehicle and kills (murders?) a family? Of course not. We charge the drunk and let ju$tice take its course.
Click to expand...

Wow. You stepped into it. We license cars. You have to take a test to get a license. You have to have INSURANCE to own the car. Your car is registered. You have license plates on the car and you have a license on the person.

Do that with guns and I'm fine with them.
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

joecct said:
A gun by itself just sitting on a counter is neither good nor evil. A gun, by itself, cannot do anything. However, when it is picked up by a human being it becomes the instrument of mayhem or good, depending on the intent of the human.

Do we blame the car when a drunk plows into another vehicle and kills (murders?) a family? Of course not. We charge the drunk and let ju$tice take its course.
Click to expand...
Only if it's a SUV

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

ScoobyDoo said:
Wow. You stepped into it. We license cars. You have to take a test to get a license. You have to have INSURANCE to own the car. Your car is registered. You have license plates on the car and you have a license on the person.

Do that with guns and I'm fine with them.
Click to expand...

No matter how many times the whole car/gun argument gets blown up there will always be another gun nut in line to make the argument again. It's not surprising, but it should be.
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

dave122793 said:
No matter how many times the whole car/gun argument gets blown up there will always be another gun nut in line to make the argument again. It's not surprising, but it should be.
Click to expand...

The ONLY thing I don't agree with it the registry. Some of the stuff Scoobs listed is already required, and the other stuff SHOULD be required.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Wow. You stepped into it. We license cars. You have to take a test to get a license. You have to have INSURANCE to own the car. Your car is registered. You have license plates on the car and you have a license on the person.

Do that with guns and I'm fine with them.
Click to expand...

Except for the person who drives a car without insurance, has a revoked license, steals plates, and does all manner of illegal things.

Laws are not going to stop someone who intends to break the law.
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

joecct said:
Except for the person who drives a car without insurance, has a revoked license, steals plates, and does all manner of illegal things.

Laws are not going to stop someone who intends to break the law.
Click to expand...

So let's no have any laws.

Great argument.
 
Handyman said:
I wonder if we should use his argument again at him re: abortion.
Click to expand...

Fire away. I view it as intentional murder of a human being. You don't. We will disagree abouht this until we're all dead and find out the truth.

But the instance of the last few posts was the objection of equating a car to a gun. Want to keep it there?
 
Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

joecct said:
Fire away. I view it as intentional murder of a human being. You don't. We will disagree abouht this until we're all dead and find out the truth.

But the instance of the last few posts was the objection of equating a car to a gun. Want to keep it there?
Click to expand...

The opinion YOU stated is that since people will do it anyway why make it illegal. Who cares if you feel abortion is intentional murder, since people will do it anyway why should it be illegal?
 
jerphisch said:
The opinion YOU stated is that since people will do it anyway why make it illegal. Who cares if you feel abortion is intentional murder, since people will do it anyway why should it be illegal?
Click to expand...

You're missing the point, but that's expected since most folks on the left cannot accept opinions different than theirs.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top