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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

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The Sicatoka said:
You needed to pay better attention in HS chemistry and look more closely at what's under your kitchen sink (or laundry room).
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Aren't those chemicals regulated, though?

And that's what is being discussed here -- regulation, not bans.
 
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Kepler said:
The gun folks at my work are adamant that you don't want want to use a long gun for home defense. At such close quarters you're just going to blow a hole through the bedroom wall and kill Little Emma Belle yourself.
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I don't necessarily disagree. I'm just trolling/devil's advocating/talking to whomever will listen. I'd prefer a semiauto shotgun myself. Has the added feature of the sound of a shell being chambered is universally understood to mean, "Go away."

That said, I updated my original post to ask about the Heller decision that handgun bans aren't legal. Nor is requiring a handgun being locked, unloaded, and stored away from ammo.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Any weapons with high rates of fire and large magazines are not required for hunting but are useful in killing large numbers of people.
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Any weapons with high rates of fire and large magazines are not required for killing large numbers of people. That can also be done with smaller magazines and a standard hunting rifle.
 
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Kepler said:
The gun folks at my work are adamant that you don't want to use a long gun for home defense. At such close quarters you're just going to blow a hole through the bedroom wall and kill Little Emma Belle yourself.
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That I agree with. Home defense is best left to a high caliber jacketed hollow-point round. That hits the target and stops.
 
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Kepler said:
Aren't those chemicals regulated, though?

And that's what is being discussed here -- regulation, not bans.
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Agreed. There's middle ground. I'm trying to find it. I posted (twice!) my immediate "concessions" (:rolleyes:) and had some follow-up items. I'm not sure I'm for a California-style assault weapons ban beyond what is already banned federally. I am open to a number of regulations that make obtaining a semiautomatic rifle more restrictive, but not an outright ban.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
"High rates of fire"... how does an "assault weapon" that is semi-automatic (again, 1 shot fired for each individual trigger pull) have a higher rate of fire as a hunting rifle that is also semi-automatic?

What you want banned (fully automatic "machine guns") are already virtually banned.
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The AR 15 itself has the technical capability to reach over a hundred rounds per minute. It doesn't matter if that's under ideal circumstances. If you want to get hung up on definitions, then why not just make it simple and ban them all. There is no hunting benefit. And as has been displayed by mass murder after mass murder, there is benefit in killing large numbers of people. I just don't get why this isn't the top priority.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Uh, no. You can pick up everything I'm thinking about at Target or Walmart.
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I thought the whole deal after OK City was we started tracking people who bought chemicals in bulk? I realize you're talking about making homemade explosives with laundry detergent or something, but where are you going to pick up ammonium nitrate in quantities large enough to take out 50 people?
 
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Kepler said:
I thought the whole deal after OK City was we started tracking people who bought chemicals in bulk? I realize you're talking about making homemade explosives with laundry detergent or something, but where are you going to pick up ammonium nitrate in quantities large enough to take out 50 people?
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A farm.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The AR 15 itself has the technical capability to reach over a hundred rounds per minute. It doesn't matter if that's under ideal circumstances. If you want to get hung up on definitions, then why not just make it simple and ban them all. There is no hunting benefit. And as has been displayed by mass murder after mass murder, there is benefit in killing large numbers of people. I just don't get why this isn't the top priority.
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Again, what you're talking about is in full automatic. No AR sold is a full automatic. Automatic weapons are illegal (with rare exception).
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
WHat's necessary to defend a home?
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Same as for hunting. A single shot weapon. Two if you'd like.

dxmnkd316 said:
What's the difference between a guy walking into a night club with two handguns or a single semiautomatic rifle and a sidearm?
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Sounds good. Let's make them acquire and carry five guns and have to switch back and forth. I think actually trying to make it more difficult is a good idea.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The AR 15 itself has the technical capability to reach over a hundred rounds per minute. It doesn't matter if that's under ideal circumstances. If you want to get hung up on definitions, then why not just make it simple and ban them all. There is no hunting benefit. And as has been displayed by mass murder after mass murder, there is benefit in killing large numbers of people. I just don't get why this isn't the top priority.
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No, it doesn't have the technical capability to reach over 100 rounds per minute. You would overheat/jam long before that. Not to mention the inability of a user to fire at less than .6 seconds for an entire minute.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Again, what you're talking about is in full automatic. No AR sold is a full automatic. Automatic weapons are illegal (with rare exception).
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
No, it doesn't have the technical capability to reach over 100 rounds per minute. You would overheat/jam long before that. Not to mention the inability of a user to fire at less than .6 seconds for an entire minute.
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Really. This former military officer says about 180 rounds a minute. Even with a 30 magazine...that's 30 casualties.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-rounds-does-a-semi-automatic-rifle-fire-per-minute

This guys seems to be doing just fine.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/11/ar-15-bump-fire-legal/
 
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Those who are on one side of the "gun control" debate will read this and agree completely, those on the other side will find endless flaws in the methodology of the studies, the conclusions or whatever they suspect the author's political leanings are.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Same as for hunting. A single shot weapon. Two if you'd like.



Sounds good. Let's make them acquire and carry five guns and have to switch back and forth. I think actually trying to make it more difficult is a good idea.
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So now, when hunting, the animal gets wounded on that 1 shot, and gets away. PETA will have a field day with your proposal.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Again, what you're talking about is in full automatic. No AR sold is a full automatic. Automatic weapons are illegal (with rare exception).
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Its incredible how the media has gotten the idea of full auto guns and semi auto guns one and the same
 
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