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LynahFan said:
I am in no way a gun zealot, and I would be completely fine with an amendment to modify/restrict the 2nd. I'm strictly talking about efficacy. I don't find the argument that "we'd be safer if there were 10% fewer guns in the US" to be any more compelling than "we'd be safer if there were 10% fewer Muslims in the US." Both are dubious claims, the latter is just more offensive.
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So you're not a gun zealot, but this is how the gun zealots handle this argument. The data's 'not compelling'. So now that that's been decided, there's nothing to talk about.

States with high gun ownership and the most gun deaths mirror each other.

http://qz.com/437015/mapped-the-us-states-with-the-most-gun-owners-and-most-gun-deaths/

States with the most muslims and the most gun deaths are nearly the opposite.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-a...logs/govbeat/files/2015/02/1Muslim.png&w=1484
 
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MaizeRage said:
Australia is a real hellscape.
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I work with a top Australian retailer. We had a bluejeans.com meeting of about 10 Aussies just yesterday...and from what I could tell they were all floored by our situation and felt that the solution of gun bans was so obvious.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Australia?

Easy overview ... yes, you can own a gun in Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

And those Aussies ... LIVE STATS!
http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/weaponUseTrend.html

For a gun ban country they still have murders (gun or other weapon of choice).
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Am I reading this right? They have 44 homicides by firearms a year?

They have a tenth of the number of the total murders Chicago does with ten times the population?
 
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I mean jeebus, here are the 2011 murder stats for Chicago alone:

Shot: 361
Stabbed: 29
Assault: 28
Strangulation: 4
Blunt Force: 5
Asphyxiation: 1
Other: 5
Total: 433
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Am I reading this right? They have 44 homicides by firearms a year?

They have a tenth of the number of the total murders Chicago does with ten times the population?
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Just imagine how small that number could get if they had more people armed to stop those 44.
 
The Sicatoka said:
Australia?

Easy overview ... yes, you can own a gun in Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

And those Aussies ... LIVE STATS!
http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/weaponUseTrend.html

For a gun ban country they still have murders (gun or other weapon of choice).
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Oh you can own a gun but...
Firearms in Australia are grouped into categories set out in the National Firearm Agreement, with different levels of control. The categories are:

Category A: Rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), circuit loaded firearms. shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles including semi automatic, and paintball gun. A "Genuine Reason" must be provided for a Category A firearm.
Category B: Centrefire rifles including bolt action pump action and lever action (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901. A category B licence also covers category A but not vice versa
Category C: Self-loading rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or self-loading shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Primary producers, occupational shooters, firearm dealers, firearm safety officers, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.
Category D: Self-loading centrefire rifles, pump-action or self-loading shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.
Category H: Handguns including air pistols and deactivated handguns. Neither South Australia nor Western Australia require deactivated handguns to be regarded as handguns after deactivation. This situation prompted the deactivation and diversion of thousands of handguns to the black market in Queensland – the loophole shut since 2001) This class is available to target shooters and certain security guards whose job requires possession of a firearm. To be eligible for a Category H firearm, a target shooter must serve a probationary period of 6 months using club handguns, after which they may apply for a permit. A minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun and be a paid-up member of an approved pistol club.
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...they make it quite difficult. Which leads to those lovely stats posted.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Am I reading this right? They have 44 homicides by firearms a year?
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Per capita, that would work out to 602 gun homicides with the US population. For comparison's sake, the US is at 650 gun deaths for 2015....for children aged 0-11. 12,440 for the year.

Japan is another country that enacted extremely strict gun control laws because they're not ****ing idiots. In the United States you're about as likely to be killed by a gun as you are by a car accident. In Japan, you're about as likely to be killed by a gun as you are by being struck by lightning.
 
FreshFish said:
"penumbras and emanations", exactly! Finding something that isn't even there, and then admitting that it isn't even there!





It isn't to say whether Roe v Wade were the right outcome or not; even its most ardent supporters concede that the reasoning in favor of it was atrocious.
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You realize that the original primary argument against the Bill of Rights was that the founding fathers were worried future idiots would believe that the only rights protected were those specifically enumerated, right?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
There are places in Canada and Scandinavia where it's legally required to have a gun. I know that's mostly a polar bear thing but yeah. Food for thought.

We also have fairly uncommon sightings of mountain lions even in the TC metro area. I know we have coyotes.
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There's nowhere in Canada that I'm aware of that gun ownership is mandatory. Owning a firearm isn't easy back home.
 
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I always think it's funny when people say, "it works in Australia" or "it works in Indonesia". It's like asking why two lane highways and no stoplights won't work in Minneapolis when they work great in Gwinner, ND.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Another law to not be followed by the folks that break laws already.

Concealed carry permit holders as a group are one of the most law abiding groups out there already. Why? Because if they break the law even a misdemeanor will get their concealed carry permit revoked.


Source: An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Carry Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population, William E. Sturdevant, PE, September 11, 1999

So a law requiring insurance will be placing the burden in the wrong place. You're not looking to punitively punish the law abiding gun owners (or maybe you are), but that will.
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If that provision is needed to reach a compromise so we can buy all the guns we want, I'll willing to listen. That's all I'm saying.
 
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SteveP said:
There's nowhere in Canada that I'm aware of that gun ownership is mandatory. Owning a firearm isn't easy back home.
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I thought way the **** up north you did in polar bear country. Some town up there. Maybe you just needed to pack a rifle if you're out and about.
 
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SJHovey said:
I always think it's funny when people say, "it works in Australia" or "it works in Indonesia". It's like asking why two lane highways and no stoplights won't work in Minneapolis when they work great in Gwinner, ND.
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How about in America?! It works in Hawai'i!!!!!


Yeah, and they are surrounded by a GIANT FRIGGIN' OCEAN. ;)
 
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