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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

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The Sicatoka said:
Do I have a right to self-defense?

Now see your prior statement, namely, "You are not going to get rid of guns in this country."
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You have a right to own a gun for self-defense. You just don't have a need. As I said, this problem doesn't go away until most of us realize this and voluntarily make that choice.

We have a right to install a roll cage in our cars and wear a helmet and flame retardant suit as we drive to work. We have realized, however, that these are unnecessary and expensive options for which we really have no need.
 
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SJHovey said:
You have a right to own a gun for self-defense. You just don't have a need. As I said, this problem doesn't go away until most of us realize this and voluntarily make that choice.

We have a right to install a roll cage in our cars and wear a helmet and flame retardant suit as we drive to work. We have realized, however, that these are unnecessary and expensive options for which we really have no need.
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Until you roll the car and it bursts into flames.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Don't you attack the larger problem first? I'd say drunk driving is far more prolific.
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If that's the measure, then we should go after heart disease and diabetes. Say goodbye to your red meat and soft drinks.
 
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What I'd like to see is the matter decided at the county level. True blooded local government conservatives should love that.

Not necessarily purchase checks, but where you can go with a gun (i.e., conceal and carry). Each county determines what's best for itself. Think about law enforcement. Its handled at the municipal level. Because each municipality has differing circumstances. Why not self protection? And its a very divisive issue with opinions differing widely between urban and country dwellers. Minneapolis is very different than Anoka is very different than Lake of the Woods in circumstances and opinion. I think you'd have to have a minimum allowable level allowed as determined at the federal level...because most urban areas would burn guns if they had the chance. But that can be done.

Now one could make the argument that if we do that, why wouldn't we do abortion, etc at that level. The difference is abortion can't affect you if you're walking down the street minding your own business. Guns can. As is often the case, maybe we should let locals decide what they're subjected to.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Sorry. Not a big guns guy. Tough issue though as its part of the Constitution.
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Understandable. Agreed.

It is a tough issue that probably will never be solved. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I just don't like the idea that, as a responsible gun-owner, my rights are being eroded away by an incredibly small fraction of morons who use them to commit heinous crimes.

I really find the idea of a license fee just to own one or being forced to carry insurance. Gun ownership is guaranteed by the Constitution. Driving a car is not. But that doesn't mean it's a non-starter.

I want to be reasonable, it's just difficult.
 
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SJHovey said:
You have a right to own a gun for self-defense. You just don't have a need. As I said, this problem doesn't go away until most of us realize this and voluntarily make that choice.

We have a right to install a roll cage in our cars and wear a helmet and flame retardant suit as we drive to work. We have realized, however, that these are unnecessary and expensive options for which we really have no need.
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Wrong.

We have a right to wear bulletproof vests and wear a riot shield and camouflage tactical gear when we work and shop. We have realized, however, that these are unnecessary and expensive options for which we really have no need.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Understandable. Agreed.

It is a tough issue that probably will never be solved. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I just don't like the idea that, as a responsible gun-owner, my rights are being eroded away by an incredibly small fraction of morons who use them to commit heinous crimes.

I really find the idea of a license fee just to own one or being forced to carry insurance. Gun ownership is guaranteed by the Constitution. Driving a car is not. But that doesn't mean it's a non-starter.

I want to be reasonable, it's just difficult.
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We should all be as self aware, dx.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Understandable. Agreed.

It is a tough issue that probably will never be solved. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I just don't like the idea that, as a responsible gun-owner, my rights are being eroded away by an incredibly small fraction of morons who use them to commit heinous crimes.

I really find the idea of a license fee just to own one or being forced to carry insurance. Gun ownership is guaranteed by the Constitution. Driving a car is not. But that doesn't mean it's a non-starter.

I want to be reasonable, it's just difficult.
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I also would like to be reasonable.

Honestly, the biggest prob in this country is the ATTITUDE towards guns. Look at the gangs/1% MCs/etc etc. They fight, and they don't just throw fists. They bust out the guns. WTeFF?

I would listen to a provision that requires insurance on gun ownership. Not my favorite provision, but I'll try to compromise. Nothing else has worked so far...
 
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5mn_Major said:
What I'd like to see is the matter decided at the county level. True blooded local government conservatives should love that.

Not necessarily purchase checks, but where you can go with a gun (i.e., conceal and carry). Each county determines what's best for itself. Think about law enforcement. Its handled at the municipal level. Because each municipality has differing circumstances. Why not self protection? And its a very divisive issue with opinions differing widely between urban and country dwellers. Minneapolis is very different than Anoka is very different than Lake of the Woods in circumstances and opinion. I think you'd have to have a minimum allowable level allowed as determined at the federal level...because most urban areas would burn guns if they had the chance. But that can be done.

Now one could make the argument that if we do that, why wouldn't we do abortion, etc at that level. The difference is abortion can't affect you if you're walking down the street minding your own business. Guns can. As is often the case, maybe we should let locals decide what they're subjected to.
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Minnesota used to have that, but the law was changed as people started to claim that they had unequal protection under the law as the local sheriff's office had complete control over whether or not you were issued your permit. It may have even gone before the state's supreme court, I don't recall if it was changed due to the MN Supreme Court invalidating the then-current law or if it was changed legislatively from the get go.
 
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Can someone please explain why some of those voices that are loudest in favor of "gun control" are often the same voices that opposed one of the most effective gun control measures ever implemented (NYC "stop, question, and frisk")?

I can understand one position or the other, but the juxtaposing the two at the same time really seems contradictory.
 
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