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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

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The Sicatoka said:
I see folks saying (for guns) "own mandates insurance".
You're saying (for car) "own does not mandate insurance, unless you put it on the street".
That's my confusion in your statement.
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I'm playing devil's advocate to my devil's advocate.

Sorry :D :o
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
There are places in Canada and Scandinavia where it's legally required to have a gun. I know that's mostly a polar bear thing but yeah. Food for thought.

We also have fairly uncommon sightings of mountain lions even in the TC metro area. I know we have coyotes.
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Mountain lions are reported in the news usually as a "beast" or "mysterious animal" around here. It's funny because there are only so many types of wild big cats that exist in this state, and a lynx just isn't all that big.

As for the coyote, they're all over the place around here. They mostly leave the humans alone because a 30lb dog won't attack a grown human or children old enough to be bigger than they are, but if they're rabid then you have to worry.
 
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Kepler said:
Meh.
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hahahahaha, that's perfect.

I'm glad I'm squatting one of the conference rooms right now. We're getting new cubes and our group has been relocated to one of the larger conference rooms until they're installed. If I had seen that in a room filled with our group, that would have been awkward. You know, not doing work and everything...
 
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St. Clown said:
Mountain lions are reported in the news usually as a "beast" or "mysterious animal" around here. It's funny because there are only so many types of wild big cats that exist in this state, and a lynx just isn't all that big.

As for the coyote, they're all over the place around here. They mostly leave the humans alone because a 30lb dog won't attack a grown human or children old enough to be bigger than they are, but if they're rabid then you have to worry.
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There are coyotes and mountain lions up in the Catoctin range which is within hearing distance on crystal winter nights. My rule is it doesn't count until you've seen it as road kill.

Still, if I met a nutria rat on a dark night I'd want some sort of ranged weapon. I know they're more scared of me than I am of them, but that's not comforting if you accidentally corner one.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
What is it that makes this line of reasoning especially applicable to guns and not, you know, everything?
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Well, guns are a protected right. Owning a car is not.

It's a bad comparison (I think) but I can't help thinking about ballot taxes and how you can't tax voting. Isn't it an equal protection thing? You start to enact taxes or insurance on an enshrined right and you're basically eliminating the rights of the poor to use said right.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Well, guns are a protected right. Owning a car is not.
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I'm not really sure this is a logical answer to the question I asked. As the often used argument goes, "Gun laws are ineffective because only the people who aren't causing the problem are going to obey them." How does this line of reasoning not apply to pretty much everything? Why have laws against murder? The only people who are going to respect the laws are non-murderers....right?
 
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GrinCDXX said:
I'm not really sure this is a logical answer to the question I asked. As the often used argument goes, "Gun laws are ineffective because only the people who aren't causing the problem are going to obey them." How does this line of reasoning not apply to pretty much everything? Why have laws against murder? The only people who are going to respect the laws are non-murderers....right?
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Without a law against murder, there would 100% guaranteed be more murders. If you dispute that, then you are just trolling.

Without a gun insurance law, there would be be fewer....people buying gun insurance. It would have no impact at all on the acts that we'd like to reduce - the mass shootings themselves. One law is effective and attacks the issue itself. The other is ineffective and does nothing to achieve its alleged intent.
 
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I think it's a perfectly logical answer. You are taking away rights, rather, eroding them. Perhaps reasonably, I'm not arguing that here.

So in order to take away a guaranteed right you need to have a much higher bar.
 
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LynahFan said:
Without a law against murder, there would 100% guaranteed be more murders. If you dispute that, then you are just trolling.

Without a gun insurance law, there would be be fewer....people buying gun insurance. It would have no impact at all on the acts that we'd like to reduce - the mass shootings themselves. One law is effective and attacks the issue itself. The other is ineffective and does nothing to achieve its alleged intent.
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See, this is why I let people smarter than I am answer these questions. They write better than I can.

Edit: And make better arguments
 
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Kepler said:
Because in NYC the only coyotes you hear are ...
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actual, real life coyotes!

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/05/coyotes-new-york-city.html


the first New York coyote in living memory was reported in 1995....Since then, they’ve been seen in every borough but Brooklyn. Chris Nagy and Mark Weckel, scientists who run the Gotham Coyote Project, put the permanent population in the high teens.
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Motion-detecting coyote cams installed by Nagy and Weckel have established that they live in four parks: Van Cortlandt, Pelham Bay, Ferry Point (all in the Bronx), and Railroad Park (in Queens). Human observers have seen them in Central and Riverside parks as well as Battery Park City, La Guardia Airport, Co-op City, and even Stuy Town.
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The thing about coyotes though is they aren't much bigger than what? 2 feet? That's about as big as a schnauzer.

Admittedly, I haven't seen a coyote in person since I was in middle school and we had a trip to the Minnesota Zoo. But I've always wondered, why can't you just kick the **** thing if it runs at you?
 
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Someone posted earlier in this thread a comment that seemed eminently reasonable, and probably constitutional: you do not profile people, you profile behaviors. The ethnic or racial makeup of the person doesn't matter at all, the only thing that matters is what they do.

Based on that standard, stop, question, and frisk is eminently reasonable. The judges who ruled in the case gave clear signals that they would uphold it; it was only the change in mayor from Bloomberg to Nonsensio that allowed the case to lapse, not on its merits, but merely from missing a filing deadline.

SQ&F was based entirely and solely on behavior. Nothing else.

and it was a very effective gun control program.


Those not actually from this area probably have an incomplete and highly-distorted view because of sensationalist headlines and "reporting" that omitted significant facts.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
The thing about coyotes though is they aren't much bigger than what? 2 feet? That's about as big as a schnauzer.

Admittedly, I haven't seen a coyote in person since I was in middle school and we had a trip to the Minnesota Zoo. But I've always wondered, why can't you just kick the **** thing if it runs at you?
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If you are a child playing in the yard, or a pet on a leash, you might be in serious danger.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-town-high-alert-coyotes-attack-children/story?id=32355667

The California Department of Fish and Wildlife reported four incidents involving coyotes and young children in the past month in Irvine, where the children have either been bitten or scratched by a coyote.
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Those kids all survived, thankfully.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
The thing about coyotes though is they aren't much bigger than what? 2 feet? That's about as big as a schnauzer.

Admittedly, I haven't seen a coyote in person since I was in middle school and we had a trip to the Minnesota Zoo. But I've always wondered, why can't you just kick the **** thing if it runs at you?
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They get to be around 30lbs, not that big but still not a puntable-sized dog either. If you're going to kick it, it will be to slow it down and give it time to reconsider a second attack, maybe even crack one or two of its ribs, but not send it over a goalpost or into the Cowboys' scoreboard.
 
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FreshFish said:
If you are a child playing in the yard, or a pet on a leash, you might be in serious danger.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-town-high-alert-coyotes-attack-children/story?id=32355667

Those kids all survived, thankfully.
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That's very true.

But then again, I'm not running out guns-a-blazing if my kid is being attacked. Not sure I would even take the time to find one. I'd run out there and tackle the **** thing if I had to.
 
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