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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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What laws would stop this from happening? outright ban on guns?
What laws would stop this from happening? outright ban on guns?
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yup, all the dumb hicks need to get their 10th gun before Nobama makes them illegal to buy!!!11!
yup, all the dumb hicks need to get their 10th gun before Nobama makes them illegal to buy!!!11!
JF_Gophers
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Because of the prolific number of guns already in the population there is no easy answer to these problems. The "all or nothing" nature of the gun lobby and gun advocates is another barrier to any meaningful change. They seem to think its a total ban on guns or a total free-for-all. Anything proposed or attempted to be enacted will just end up with the Supreme Court (state or federal) if it even gets off the ground.
I think you can start by creating a basic set of rules for gun ownership, so that at least going forward there is some level of comfort that its not going to continue to get worse. Our country is very unique in that the states have separate rules and powers from the government. It adds a layer of complexity to getting things done nationally. Its pretty useless to have tough gun laws in one state, when 49 others you can buy one without any questions.
Had our founding fathers known this type of issue was possible they may have worded the 2nd amendment differently. But who could have known that our society would become so dysfunctional in just a couple hundred years. Repealing the 2nd amendment won't happen, so lets not go down that road.
I'm not a big fan of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. I'm not sure why gun manufacturers get special protections. They have no reason to care what happens, only how much money they can make.
Because of the prolific number of guns already in the population there is no easy answer to these problems. The "all or nothing" nature of the gun lobby and gun advocates is another barrier to any meaningful change. They seem to think its a total ban on guns or a total free-for-all. Anything proposed or attempted to be enacted will just end up with the Supreme Court (state or federal) if it even gets off the ground.
I think you can start by creating a basic set of rules for gun ownership, so that at least going forward there is some level of comfort that its not going to continue to get worse. Our country is very unique in that the states have separate rules and powers from the government. It adds a layer of complexity to getting things done nationally. Its pretty useless to have tough gun laws in one state, when 49 others you can buy one without any questions.
Had our founding fathers known this type of issue was possible they may have worded the 2nd amendment differently. But who could have known that our society would become so dysfunctional in just a couple hundred years. Repealing the 2nd amendment won't happen, so lets not go down that road.
I'm not a big fan of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. I'm not sure why gun manufacturers get special protections. They have no reason to care what happens, only how much money they can make.
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There are too many guns in the nation to make a ban even CLOSE to working. People need to friggin' realize that. So, anyone who has no mental issues, no violent/felonious criminal record, and goes through gun safety training, and wants to buy a gun, should be able to buy a gun.
There are too many guns in the nation to make a ban even CLOSE to working. People need to friggin' realize that. So, anyone who has no mental issues, no violent/felonious criminal record, and goes through gun safety training, and wants to buy a gun, should be able to buy a gun.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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Basing it on "mental issues" is a back-door ban, especially given how ADHD is over-diagnosed; all they have to do is get these psychologists to amp up the qualifications to impossible levels through license threats. I'll give you that anyone who owns a firearm should know how to and be physically and mentally able to properly use it, even if it's a community apprentice training (i.e. not a back-door tax if the government were to mandate something). I would also encourage any responsible weapon owners to provide a service to your community to show people how to properly use it, even if it's just your neighbours.
Basing it on "mental issues" is a back-door ban, especially given how ADHD is over-diagnosed; all they have to do is get these psychologists to amp up the qualifications to impossible levels through license threats. I'll give you that anyone who owns a firearm should know how to and be physically and mentally able to properly use it, even if it's a community apprentice training (i.e. not a back-door tax if the government were to mandate something). I would also encourage any responsible weapon owners to provide a service to your community to show people how to properly use it, even if it's just your neighbours.
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Who among us does not have mental issues? Nobody here certainly.
Who among us does not have mental issues? Nobody here certainly.
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I think you're over-blowing the "back-door ban" bit, but we're talking about you, of course.
My semi-educated opinion: get 2 doctors' clean bill of mental state (helps avoid paying off a doctor for a clearance, although that will still happen somewhat)
Mandatory gun safety training
Clean record
And the loopholes thing, of course.
I think you're over-blowing the "back-door ban" bit, but we're talking about you, of course.
My semi-educated opinion: get 2 doctors' clean bill of mental state (helps avoid paying off a doctor for a clearance, although that will still happen somewhat)
Mandatory gun safety training
Clean record
And the loopholes thing, of course.
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I kid. Certainly not meant to shore up Flaggy's argument.
One thing is clear: Flaggy should not be armed.
Who among us does not have mental issues? Nobody here certainly.
I kid. Certainly not meant to shore up Flaggy's argument.
One thing is clear: Flaggy should not be armed.
JF_Gophers
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What if instead of targeting guns specifically, we go off the wall with ideas.
- All interstate border crossings via roads are treated like moving between countries. Requiring identification, and the state you are entering can detain you / search your vehicle if you want to cross. Flights could continue as normal for the most part as they already have systems in place checking for weapons/contraband.
- All public and private properly have metal detectors and armed guards at every entrance.
- All public and private properly have deterrence systems in place, like some of the schools have started to add.
- Or way off the wall. What if our country and its government completely disbands. We just start over. There are no rules and no boundaries. I'm pretty sure China or someone else would just take us over. But hey, that's what you get when you don't want laws.
What if instead of targeting guns specifically, we go off the wall with ideas.
- All interstate border crossings via roads are treated like moving between countries. Requiring identification, and the state you are entering can detain you / search your vehicle if you want to cross. Flights could continue as normal for the most part as they already have systems in place checking for weapons/contraband.
- All public and private properly have metal detectors and armed guards at every entrance.
- All public and private properly have deterrence systems in place, like some of the schools have started to add.
- Or way off the wall. What if our country and its government completely disbands. We just start over. There are no rules and no boundaries. I'm pretty sure China or someone else would just take us over. But hey, that's what you get when you don't want laws.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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I'm suing you for a violation of the second amendment.
I'm suing you for a violation of the second amendment.
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Does anyone else think that a huge contributor to the rise of these events is the way we cover them in the media, and the attention we give them?
Every event has to be "breaking news", with some b.s. name ascribed to it like "Slaughter in San Bernadino!!!", with 24/7 coverage, non-stop hand wringing, on and on and on.
The perpetrators in each event obviously have issues. Their actions are intended as a form of revenge or designed to inflict terror. There is a lot of "look at me" as they go out with a literal bang. Every time one of these events occur I secretly wish we could snap our communications system back in time 150 years so that the only people who would know about it would be those in the immediate vicinity, until two weeks later when the horse rider showed up with a report.
As I recall, the first news account of the Battle of the Little Bighorn was something like 10 days after it happened. Can you imagine that today?
Does anyone else think that a huge contributor to the rise of these events is the way we cover them in the media, and the attention we give them?
Every event has to be "breaking news", with some b.s. name ascribed to it like "Slaughter in San Bernadino!!!", with 24/7 coverage, non-stop hand wringing, on and on and on.
The perpetrators in each event obviously have issues. Their actions are intended as a form of revenge or designed to inflict terror. There is a lot of "look at me" as they go out with a literal bang. Every time one of these events occur I secretly wish we could snap our communications system back in time 150 years so that the only people who would know about it would be those in the immediate vicinity, until two weeks later when the horse rider showed up with a report.
As I recall, the first news account of the Battle of the Little Bighorn was something like 10 days after it happened. Can you imagine that today?
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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Not to mention, the event has to fit the agenda. Like with Domestic Terrorism Unit killings, it has to be white-on-black.
Not to mention, the event has to fit the agenda. Like with Domestic Terrorism Unit killings, it has to be white-on-black.
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agree with the concept, might quibble about the order of magnitude.
agree with the concept, might quibble about the order of magnitude.
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All of the public colleges in our state already have their own armed police forces, and have for awhile.
Yesterday, the State Board of Regents voted unanimously to approve armed guards at all of the state's community colleges as well. The measure now goes to the state legislature for a vote.
All of the public colleges in our state already have their own armed police forces, and have for awhile.
Yesterday, the State Board of Regents voted unanimously to approve armed guards at all of the state's community colleges as well. The measure now goes to the state legislature for a vote.
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No, it's your job to call me a liar, no matter what I actually do say. I can always count on you to disagree with anything I post, no matter how reasonable or accurate it is. Your personal dislike for me overrides your common sense.
No, it's your job to call me a liar, no matter what I actually do say. I can always count on you to disagree with anything I post, no matter how reasonable or accurate it is. Your personal dislike for me overrides your common sense.
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President BassAle's proposal
Repeal 2nd Amendment. Replace with something that makes sense in the 21st century (and isn't as poorly written).
0) All guns registered, all private sales go through licensed broker that conducts background checks. Unless you are a dealer, limits on the number and frequency of gun purchases.
1) Handguns require permit to own and carry. Have one in your possession during any crime and you're banned from ever legally owning a firearm. Additional time on sentence for possessing firearm during crime.
3) Semi automatic long guns require permit to own.
4) High capacity magazines are banned
5) No ammunition purchase without proof of ownership of registered firearm matching ammunition being purchased.
6) Body armor and other tactical gear is illegal to own.
Mandatory buyback for any gun made illegal through legislation (like assault weapons ban). Voluntary buyback for everyone else to reduce number of guns in circulation.
President BassAle's proposal
Repeal 2nd Amendment. Replace with something that makes sense in the 21st century (and isn't as poorly written).
0) All guns registered, all private sales go through licensed broker that conducts background checks. Unless you are a dealer, limits on the number and frequency of gun purchases.
1) Handguns require permit to own and carry. Have one in your possession during any crime and you're banned from ever legally owning a firearm. Additional time on sentence for possessing firearm during crime.
3) Semi automatic long guns require permit to own.
4) High capacity magazines are banned
5) No ammunition purchase without proof of ownership of registered firearm matching ammunition being purchased.
6) Body armor and other tactical gear is illegal to own.
Mandatory buyback for any gun made illegal through legislation (like assault weapons ban). Voluntary buyback for everyone else to reduce number of guns in circulation.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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Something to this specific event makes me think it's not related to such sensationalism, but a great many of them likely have that to some degree or another. We've had this since the late 1800s, I would think. There have been various outlaws who were very conscious of their media profiles, looking for the notoriety of it.
Yes, and the idea was even floated through the media a few years ago. There was one network, I forget which, that intended to reduce its coverage of such events, and would stop naming assailants. I don't know if that decision has held up as I'm not really a consumer of TV news anymore.
Something to this specific event makes me think it's not related to such sensationalism, but a great many of them likely have that to some degree or another. We've had this since the late 1800s, I would think. There have been various outlaws who were very conscious of their media profiles, looking for the notoriety of it.
ericredaxe
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