The Sicatoka
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Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
OK, what did I have to do to get mine? (No peeking on the internet.)
OK, what did I have to do to get mine? (No peeking on the internet.)
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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
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The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
The concealed carry population is 1/10th as likely to commit a crime as a police officer. So your "felons" point in the statistics is valid, but the conceal carry folks are going out of their way to be law-abiding.
The concealed carry population is 1/10th as likely to commit a crime as a police officer. So your "felons" point in the statistics is valid, but the conceal carry folks are going out of their way to be law-abiding.
unofan
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Depends. Are you in a shall issue state or a may issue state?
unofan
Well-known member
You don't have to convince me cops are criminals. I'm married to a public defender.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
North Dakota. Shall issue. However ...
For my Class I had to:
- complete the application
- get fingerprinted so they could run me through ...
- a ND BCI background check (law enforcement and courts), and
- through the Federal criminal databases
- attend a class with a state licensed instructor
- class covers weapons safety, proper handling, and applicable state laws
- pass the state written exam (covering all the above)
- go on the range and prove safe and accurate firearms handling*
From application to finally receiving my license was about 60 days.
(And I'm a guy who used to have a US Gov't security clearance so they had my prints already.)
*I'm not a fan of the ND test:
- target is 8.5 x 11 piece of paper (blank)
Phase I:
- target at 7 yards
- two magazines with six rounds per; firearm holstered with one magazine in
- go signal given (timer starts)
- safely un-holster weapon and take aim down range
- fire first six at target (strong hand)
- change magazines
- fire next six at target (WEAK hand)
- check weapon clear and re-holster
Must be done in 55 seconds.
Phase II:
- target at 15 yards
- two magazines with six rounds per; firearm holstered with one magazine in
- go signal given (timer starts)
- safely un-holster weapon and take aim down range
- fire first six at target (strong hand)
- change magazines
- drop to a non-standing position (one or both knees) <-- my beef is here**
- fire next six at target (strong hand)
- check weapon clear and re-holster and stand
Must be done (standing) in 65 seconds. (The extra time to safely drop and stand.)
Passing is 70% on target. (One try every 30 days.)
Sounds easy; but, if you don't practice at least monthly most will fail the accuracy.
My favorite? The guy the instructor failed because he didn't safely un-holster his weapon. (Dude deserved to fail.)
**The justification is proving physical capability and stability. To me this is assuming an ambush position.
North Dakota. Shall issue. However ...
For my Class I had to:
- complete the application
- get fingerprinted so they could run me through ...
- a ND BCI background check (law enforcement and courts), and
- through the Federal criminal databases
- attend a class with a state licensed instructor
- class covers weapons safety, proper handling, and applicable state laws
- pass the state written exam (covering all the above)
- go on the range and prove safe and accurate firearms handling*
From application to finally receiving my license was about 60 days.
(And I'm a guy who used to have a US Gov't security clearance so they had my prints already.)
*I'm not a fan of the ND test:
- target is 8.5 x 11 piece of paper (blank)
Phase I:
- target at 7 yards
- two magazines with six rounds per; firearm holstered with one magazine in
- go signal given (timer starts)
- safely un-holster weapon and take aim down range
- fire first six at target (strong hand)
- change magazines
- fire next six at target (WEAK hand)
- check weapon clear and re-holster
Must be done in 55 seconds.
Phase II:
- target at 15 yards
- two magazines with six rounds per; firearm holstered with one magazine in
- go signal given (timer starts)
- safely un-holster weapon and take aim down range
- fire first six at target (strong hand)
- change magazines
- drop to a non-standing position (one or both knees) <-- my beef is here**
- fire next six at target (strong hand)
- check weapon clear and re-holster and stand
Must be done (standing) in 65 seconds. (The extra time to safely drop and stand.)
Passing is 70% on target. (One try every 30 days.)
Sounds easy; but, if you don't practice at least monthly most will fail the accuracy.
My favorite? The guy the instructor failed because he didn't safely un-holster his weapon. (Dude deserved to fail.)
**The justification is proving physical capability and stability. To me this is assuming an ambush position.
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The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
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unofan
Well-known member
You and Flaggy agree on something?
Sort of. He probably believes the Feds are the worst, but in reality it's the other way. The locals have Barney Fifes galore running around and can be nothing more than mall cops with guns depending on the locality. The county sheriffs are generally better, and state patrols better still. By the time you're dealing with the feds, they're trained enough that they won't violate your rights except in the rarest of instances.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
This is great and checks with my anecdotal experience of conceal carry people. They are serious and safe.
This is great and checks with my anecdotal experience of conceal carry people. They are serious and safe.
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I'm not scared of guns dumb ***. I own a gun. I'm scared of all the morons that think they need a gun to be safe.
I'm not scared of guns dumb ***. I own a gun. I'm scared of all the morons that think they need a gun to be safe.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I'm worried about stuff like this.
In Rwanda the Hutus massacred the Tutsi after years of hate radio spewing propaganda. We've spent 1/100th of our time as a species down from the trees. We still have money brains. A few evil people with large enough megaphones can cause a genocide by getting their listeners angry and frightened enough.
I'm worried about stuff like this.
In Rwanda the Hutus massacred the Tutsi after years of hate radio spewing propaganda. We've spent 1/100th of our time as a species down from the trees. We still have money brains. A few evil people with large enough megaphones can cause a genocide by getting their listeners angry and frightened enough.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
I don't own a gun "to be safe". I own a gun and I am safe with it.
I don't own a gun "to be safe". I own a gun and I am safe with it.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
It really depends on the municipality/county/state/department (in terms of feds), and is one of the reasons blanket labelling, similar to what the BLM crowd does, doesn't always work. The biggest things you really need to look at are policies that cause infringements, such as ticket/arrest quotas, prison population quotas, use of unmarked vehicles in situations other than hostage or violence, SWAT team/militarization usage, 4th amendment violations (such as roadblocks, no-knock raids, and "stop-and-frisk"), and really what the department believes their purpose is. Are they really trying to "keep peace" and "help people", or are they just power hungry wackos looking to shake their ****s and terrorize the population? More and more, the latter is starting to become the case.
Feds aren't all ponies and unicorns, either. ATF and DHS are some of the biggest offenders, with a few of the others starting to push their weight around. And may I remind you, the amount of ammunition bought up by federal departments within the past few years is strikingly high.
It really depends on the municipality/county/state/department (in terms of feds), and is one of the reasons blanket labelling, similar to what the BLM crowd does, doesn't always work. The biggest things you really need to look at are policies that cause infringements, such as ticket/arrest quotas, prison population quotas, use of unmarked vehicles in situations other than hostage or violence, SWAT team/militarization usage, 4th amendment violations (such as roadblocks, no-knock raids, and "stop-and-frisk"), and really what the department believes their purpose is. Are they really trying to "keep peace" and "help people", or are they just power hungry wackos looking to shake their ****s and terrorize the population? More and more, the latter is starting to become the case.
Feds aren't all ponies and unicorns, either. ATF and DHS are some of the biggest offenders, with a few of the others starting to push their weight around. And may I remind you, the amount of ammunition bought up by federal departments within the past few years is strikingly high.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
I live in Alaska and have no need for a gun. A lot of people have the thought of "I'm going hiking so I need a big gun to protect myself from bears!" when really they just need a set of bear bells and mosquito repellent. Like you said, the world is far less dangerous than people think.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
You have no future in politics. Always Be Consternating. Create the anxiety you then promise to rescue them from. Just watch the Echo Chamber reducing its millions of captives to quivering fetal jelly molds, squeezing their guns and Bibles and hiding under the bed.
That's what I call statesmanship.
You have no future in politics. Always Be Consternating. Create the anxiety you then promise to rescue them from. Just watch the Echo Chamber reducing its millions of captives to quivering fetal jelly molds, squeezing their guns and Bibles and hiding under the bed.
That's what I call statesmanship.
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FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
Unlike your echo chamber that uses the scare tactic of global warming, and then murders dissenters?
Unlike your echo chamber that uses the scare tactic of global warming, and then murders dissenters?
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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Well, first question: How is this self-selecting the population? It's not like people run the numbers for a subset of the conceal-carry population, the statisticians look at the whole group. Second, as to the actual point of self-selecting, that's generally done by state legislatures and the governors of those states as they're the ones who set the rules for who can and cannot hold a conceal-carry permit and not the statisticians.
Well, first question: How is this self-selecting the population? It's not like people run the numbers for a subset of the conceal-carry population, the statisticians look at the whole group. Second, as to the actual point of self-selecting, that's generally done by state legislatures and the governors of those states as they're the ones who set the rules for who can and cannot hold a conceal-carry permit and not the statisticians.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Hey I'm a Teamster. Grease the right palms and my political future is very bright!
leswp1
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Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
This is reasoning I can understand.
Not all the institutions were bad. I took care of patients who had lived in places most of their lives. They were devastated when they were forced out. Many of them had lived together for decades and felt like they had lost their family
Again, I can understand this and it makes sense to me (not the law saying you need the permit to openly have gun in car. I wouldn't want to leave it in a car either.
There have been massive arguments about the church thing within those churches.And that's what makes the world great. Like we've talked about. Let the shopkeeper decide matters like smoking, carry, ... and the free-market will handle it from there.
When I go to a town when I see cops in the parking lot of a diner I know that's where to eat: criminals won't go there, and the coffee must be good. You mean you haven't figured that one out?
Here's one that'll pop some neurons: I've been told under strong authority that there are a couple Christian mega-churches in Fargo that have select members (former LEOs, or Feds, or HP; and CCL holders) who are carrying during services by permission, dare I say at request, of the church council and pastors. < comment here about clinging to Bibles and guns
If everyone had to do all this, all the time I could care less who got a gun. See below
Me too. People who get it and have no respect for a weapon but feel big and powerful owning it scare the sh1t out of me. Stupid mentality and more likely to do something stupid with it or not store it correctly putting others as well as themself at risk
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Respect the weapon. Be safe with the weapon. It maddens and sickens me to hear stories about "found the gun on the nightstand," "unlocked safe," etc.
That is the biggest issue, IMO, with gun-owners.
IF I had a gun*, I'm with Sicatoka: it's on me, or it's locked away.
*I have no need nor want of a gun right now, mainly my living situation/where I live, but that could change in the future.
Respect the weapon. Be safe with the weapon. It maddens and sickens me to hear stories about "found the gun on the nightstand," "unlocked safe," etc.
That is the biggest issue, IMO, with gun-owners.
IF I had a gun*, I'm with Sicatoka: it's on me, or it's locked away.
*I have no need nor want of a gun right now, mainly my living situation/where I live, but that could change in the future.
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
WOrked in family practice. Part of screening is do you have a gun, is it stored safely. Part of pediatrics is to ask safety questions- do you have child locks on cabinets, chemical cleaners out of reach, do you have guns? Then educate re safety- CHild locks on all the places kids could get in trouble, Remind people kids can climb so need to lock chemicals, remind people to store guns in safe way. There are states that have barred medical people from asking questions about guns either for adults or kids. Too intrusive and ? For cripes sake we ask if you are sleeping with multiple people, doing drugs, etc (yes, people answer to the affirmative!). This kind of paranoid thinking loses me. We are not allowed to reveal anything said in exam room. We can't tell the wife the hubby has AIDs. What exactly is wrong with checking with people and encouraging them to look into how to be safer or if adult being sure to contact their psych person if they aren't doing well and say they have a gun?
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