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Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

I was not able to watch the Harvard game but same results. And the way it is trending, this could very be a match up in the second round of the playoffs yet again and we know what happened previously. We are way ahead of ourselves with lots of meaningful hockey left! Just watching the highlights in tight D zone coverage is abysmal, again these are the highlights as there could have been great D zone coverage for 95% of the game. Regardless, something has to change as scoring has become more difficult. I been preaching this until the cows come home. BG, overall does not have the type of skill to score "easy" goals (breakaways, odd man rushes) or guys that can make an offensive play. Yes they can score but the way they do it requires a lot of work and energy. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that but supplement that with 'easy" goals to make life easier. Additionally, there is too much pressure in the D zone and Clark!

Thoughts GB??? or anyone else for that matter?
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

I was not able to watch the Harvard game but same results. And the way it is trending, this could very be a match up in the second round of the playoffs yet again and we know what happened previously. We are way ahead of ourselves with lots of meaningful hockey left! Just watching the highlights in tight D zone coverage is abysmal, again these are the highlights as there could have been great D zone coverage for 95% of the game. Regardless, something has to change as scoring has become more difficult. I been preaching this until the cows come home. BG, overall does not have the type of skill to score "easy" goals (breakaways, odd man rushes) or guys that can make an offensive play. Yes they can score but the way they do it requires a lot of work and energy. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that but supplement that with 'easy" goals to make life easier. Additionally, there is too much pressure in the D zone and Clark!

Thoughts GB??? or anyone else for that matter?

Skimming through the ESPN broadcast, I'd say the D-zone has been the biggest issue for the past 3 weeks.

Still some positives, but the secondary scoring has somewhat dried up (Warpecha got one Friday) and that top line is getting fewer and fewer opportunities. I think teams look at Dartmouth as "stop or even contain the top line, and you'll probably beat them" which has been true in this winless streak.

4 points is a must vs Yale and Brown, given that this is at home. Top 4 is out of the question I think, regardless, though....but Top 8, while very likely, isn't completely secured yet either.
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

Skimming through the ESPN broadcast, I'd say the D-zone has been the biggest issue for the past 3 weeks.

Still some positives, but the secondary scoring has somewhat dried up (Warpecha got one Friday) and that top line is getting fewer and fewer opportunities. I think teams look at Dartmouth as "stop or even contain the top line, and you'll probably beat them" which has been true in this winless streak.

4 points is a must vs Yale and Brown, given that this is at home. Top 4 is out of the question I think, regardless, though....but Top 8, while very likely, isn't completely secured yet either.

For sure! Clean slate this weekend although Yale and Brown are both playing their best hockey of the season and for some reason I seem to remember Brown giving us fits.

Agreed that secondary scoring is OK but what you see from Warpecha, Strong, Baker, and the bottom 6 is what you get. I will say that I do not know enough about the freshmen F's. Our guy, I do not remember his name off hand had high praise for LeSeur coming in but that has not panned out yet if ever as he is in and out of the line up and when in it s bottom six shifts. The key moving forward is how they play in their D zone and Clark has to be their best player!
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

For sure! Clean slate this weekend although Yale and Brown are both playing their best hockey of the season and for some reason I seem to remember Brown giving us fits.

Agreed that secondary scoring is OK but what you see from Warpecha, Strong, Baker, and the bottom 6 is what you get. I will say that I do not know enough about the freshmen F's. Our guy, I do not remember his name off hand had high praise for LeSeur coming in but that has not panned out yet if ever as he is in and out of the line up and when in it s bottom six shifts. The key moving forward is how they play in their D zone and Clark has to be their best player!

LeSeuer I think has had nagging on-again, off-again injuries throughout the season that has limited his ability to be in the lineup, and then, his ability to show that he may belong on another line but the 4th.

The key moving forward is how they play in their D zone and Clark has to be their best player!

Some nights he has been and it still hasn't been good enough due to being hung out to dry. But he seemed to have been stronger in early jan than late. That may be in part to playing every minute of every game--it may not be related to that at all. I do wish the Big Green had faith in a backup goalie to give him a rest, but they don't, and they can't afford to take risks when points are so important right now.
 
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LeSeuer I think has had nagging on-again, off-again injuries throughout the season that has limited his ability to be in the lineup, and then, his ability to show that he may belong on another line but the 4th.



Some nights he has been and it still hasn't been good enough due to being hung out to dry. But he seemed to have been stronger in early jan than late. That may be in part to playing every minute of every game--it may not be related to that at all. I do wish the Big Green had faith in a backup goalie to give him a rest, but they don't, and they can't afford to take risks when points are so important right now.

I did not know that about LeSuer, being injured! Our guy Turks181, now I remember had him pretty highly touted coming out of I believe prep school with no juniors experience! I would have at least thought that that may have translated to a top 6 role. Just get healthy at this point!

I have been hammering this point "all along the watchtower" that Clark just needs to solid and consistent because we know the talent is there. As we both have harped on, the D has hung him out to dry many times.

We know that what BG has right is not working, that's proven! I will stick to this: Put Graber back at center! D1 will be Palosik and Demler D2 will be Less/Matthews and spot play D3 with Han, Paul, Markell (what happened), and even Graber in special situations. Know sure if each of their D man knows its role. With the above, it it clearly defined!

Thoughts GB?
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

Yes, it was me who commented on LeSuer. IIRC, I also said I felt he needed a year in Jrs. before stepping into D1.
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

Yes, it was me who commented on LeSuer. IIRC, I also said I felt he needed a year in Jrs. before stepping into D1.

Hey turks181 great as usual to hear from you! I would 100% agree that at least a year of Junior's maybe two as most of his players these days would have served LeSuer well but then again that's only the hockey part and we sometimes lose hold of the "real" reason why he is the... life/education. But I do hope that he gets fully healthy so that he at least for his sake he gave it his best shot.
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

I did not know that about LeSuer, being injured! Our guy Turks181, now I remember had him pretty highly touted coming out of I believe prep school with no juniors experience! I would have at least thought that that may have translated to a top 6 role. Just get healthy at this point!

I have been hammering this point "all along the watchtower" that Clark just needs to solid and consistent because we know the talent is there. As we both have harped on, the D has hung him out to dry many times.

We know that what BG has right is not working, that's proven! I will stick to this: Put Graber back at center! D1 will be Palosik and Demler D2 will be Less/Matthews and spot play D3 with Han, Paul, Markell (what happened), and even Graber in special situations. Know sure if each of their D man knows its role. With the above, it it clearly defined!

Thoughts GB?


I'm kind of done with the "Graber on the blueline" experiment, too--at even strength anyway. It became a necessity when Cameron went out forcing the Big Green to to do something to compensate, but I do like those pairings you listed. Less to me is our best Dman as in he's the most reliable in the back half, and I like him with Matthews. Demler has been very steady as well, and Palocsik fits well along side. Markell seems to have lost his confidence, which may be hard to regain without ice time, so the 3rd line could be somewhat problematic, though I think Brock Paul has been fine for a rookie back there most of the time. The top 4 D may be playing a TON if Graber goes back to center.

Not sure what we'll see for changes tomorrow in Hanover. I'll get to see this one in person for only the 6th time this season (2 Hanover, 2 in RI/CT and the opener--ugh--at Harvard)
 
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I'm kind of done with the "Graber on the blueline" experiment, too--at even strength anyway. It became a necessity when Cameron went out forcing the Big Green to to do something to compensate, but I do like those pairings you listed. Less to me is our best Dman as in he's the most reliable in the back half, and I like him with Matthews. Demler has been very steady as well, and Palocsik fits well along side. Markell seems to have lost his confidence, which may be hard to regain without ice time, so the 3rd line could be somewhat problematic, though I think Brock Paul has been fine for a rookie back there most of the time. The top 4 D may be playing a TON if Graber goes back to center.

Not sure what we'll see for changes tomorrow in Hanover. I'll get to see this one in person for only the 6th time this season (2 Hanover, 2 in RI/CT and the opener--ugh--at Harvard)

Amen to all that brother! BG need changes in the lineup in the worst way and why not start now and while we are that let's try this as well:

F1 Hesler/Graber/Forman Hesler provides speed and dig out pucks and goes to to the net hard all with just enough skill to play with Graber
F2 Gallant or Campbell/Baker/O'Connor O'Connor does not need the set up like Forman does and coming in with speed on his off wing look out
Bottom 6 I think you can put them in a blender

D1 Palosik/Demler Demler enables Palosik to activate and be a 3 man and just a late trailer
D2 Less/Matthews They were BG's best pairing before the Graber experiment; they can play in all situations and yes Less is playing his best hockey
D3 Spot play the remainders ie with no D zone draws or going against top line

G Clarky baby!


Thoughts GB??? Something has to change right?
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

Big Green: Should be a good game. Brown needs a win and I don't think the team is thinking ahead about H. Brown should really be up for this one. Dartmouth also needs a win to stop its fall, and Brown always has a tough time at Thompson.
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

Big Green: Should be a good game. Brown needs a win and I don't think the team is thinking ahead about H. Brown should really be up for this one. Dartmouth also needs a win to stop its fall, and Brown always has a tough time at Thompson.

Hey Mike! Great to hear from you! Well on paper last night's game should have been more of a barn-burner based on previous years but that was not the case. Man, I thought you guys were on the rise based on last year's ending performance. What happened to my little guy on the back end, Stillwell? Sick? Injured? He is good!
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

BG beats Brown 5-2. Score was mis-leading but the dominance prevailed. Graber moves back to center and the top line proves fits especially below the dots zone time; that's the bets way to protect your D. Awesome sequence (evading defender) and shot by Markell, low and far pad...low and behold rebound off Strong's grill and goal. Maybe this gets Markell out of his funk? The rest of the goals were scored in tight, thanks in part to a Brown D that does a lot of puck watching. On a few scored against Brown's D were actually in good position but were either puck watching, bad read, probably a combo. You could tell Nieto was getting frustrated by this.

Yale comes in hot, probably one of the hottest in the ECAC, at least playing way better than the beginning of the season and they can put up goals. BG needs Clarky to be stellar and erase that "bad" second goal against vs Brown. Let's Goooooooo BG!
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

BG beats Brown 5-2. Score was mis-leading but the dominance prevailed. Graber moves back to center and the top line proves fits especially below the dots zone time; that's the bets way to protect your D. Awesome sequence (evading defender) and shot by Markell, low and far pad...low and behold rebound off Strong's grill and goal. Maybe this gets Markell out of his funk? The rest of the goals were scored in tight, thanks in part to a Brown D that does a lot of puck watching. On a few scored against Brown's D were actually in good position but were either puck watching, bad read, probably a combo. You could tell Nieto was getting frustrated by this.

Yale comes in hot, probably one of the hottest in the ECAC, at least playing way better than the beginning of the season and they can put up goals. BG needs Clarky to be stellar and erase that "bad" second goal against vs Brown. Let's Goooooooo BG!

I dunno: Yale has 1 win in 5 so while I respect the Bulldogs, I don't consider them especially "hot"--better than earlier in the season, though, sure. Absolutely expect a win tonight.
-Glad that we both got our wish and the top line was reunited. Paid off too with that putaway goal in the 3rd after Clark allowed maybe his worst goal of the season. But I did like the way the Big Green played after that goal, especially Clark, who did have a couple of key saves immediately following before Dartmouth put the clamps on.
-Markell looked way better. It's hard to get out of a funk with no ice time, and he had more last night. I watched him a lot because his year to this point had epitomized "sophomore slump", but he got good minutes and used them well. Ended up +1 on the night. That bodes really well, as the team really does need Graber up front. They're not deep enough in the middle, with apologies to Hesler, Baker, and Rutherford, who are all solid but none is a 1st liner. And O'Connor is indeed better on the wing.
-Brown's D was really bad last night. Warpecha's goal was mystifying: every dark jersey is looking around while #8 has a free chance. Glad he's scoring again, too.
-Yale is better than Brown, so Dartmouth will have to be better as well. Hopefully the PP gets going again: it'd been very good earlier in the calendar year. PK looks excellent lately though.
 
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I dunno: Yale has 1 win in 5 so while I respect the Bulldogs, I don't consider them especially "hot"--better than earlier in the season, though, sure. Absolutely expect a win tonight.
-Glad that we both got our wish and the top line was reunited. Paid off too with that putaway goal in the 3rd after Clark allowed maybe his worst goal of the season. But I did like the way the Big Green played after that goal, especially Clark, who did have a couple of key saves immediately following before Dartmouth put the clamps on.
-Markell looked way better. It's hard to get out of a funk with no ice time, and he had more last night. I watched him a lot because his year to this point had epitomized "sophomore slump", but he got good minutes and used them well. Ended up +1 on the night. That bodes really well, as the team really does need Graber up front. They're not deep enough in the middle, with apologies to Hesler, Baker, and Rutherford, who are all solid but none is a 1st liner. And O'Connor is indeed better on the wing.
-Brown's D was really bad last night. Warpecha's goal was mystifying: every dark jersey is looking around while #8 has a free chance. Glad he's scoring again, too.
-Yale is better than Brown, so Dartmouth will have to be better as well. Hopefully the PP gets going again: it'd been very good earlier in the calendar year. PK looks excellent lately though.

Be careful what you wish for GB as with this current BG team you just never know!
 
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Talk about a 4-point punch in the gut! BG cannot hold leads and lose 4-3 in a fun to watch up and down game. Ok I tell it like it is and on many occasions I have more than given BG the benefit of the doubt with a glass half-full perspective. Until now, I have to call out the some repeat offenders. I know many will talk about "the SAVE" but so what if Clarky let's in 3 goals he easily could have saved (two of them of the egregious variety). As I hammered all along, just consistency in making the saves you are supposed to make and the timely "awesome" saves. Demler and the threaded turnover leading to the Yale lead. He had all the time in the world and put it right on the tape of a Yale player and to compound that Clarky let's in a clean 5-hole goal which by the way Markell plays the 2 on 1 perfectly taking away the pass and letting Clarky solely focus on the shooter. Clarky was there as he was squared up but a soccer ball would have come close to getting through that 5-hole. On what ends up to be the winning goal, Paul puck-watches and the passes back doors him for an easy tap in.

Yes, there is work to be done but BG CAN and WILL work it out. At this point, just secure home ice for the first round and we will go from there.

Thoughts GB?
 
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You're right: "the save" (which was awesome) took a goal away, but Clark has to feel like there were 3 he could have had, and 2 he absolutely must have. That save matters a lot more if the Big Green win that game, say, 3-2. Against Brown he shook off a bad goal: it seemed like he never regained being comfortable after the 1st Yale score despite making that save later.

I just looked at the stats, and he's now sitting at .901 when he was close to .920 6 weeks ago. That isn't good, and the defense has to share in some of that, but Clark just hasn't been as good as he was from the Ledyard into mid-January. He has to be, or this team is likely to have the same ending as the last few years, if not sooner (if they get Union, for example. I don't like the possibility of playing Union for some reason: Princeton. Brown and especially St. Lawrence I don't worry about as much).

We've seen what this team can do when all the cogs in the machine work to their capability at the same time. We just haven't seen it enough, and certainly didn't last night against Yale.
 
Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

BG back on the win column with a 5-2 W of the Saints. Although BG outplayed the Saints, the Saints hung in there and created havoc taking early leads. As the announcer, the second and tying BG goal turned the game around; it was a harmless shot from the goal line by O'Connor that hit the far in pad pad and through the 5 hole for the hole as right afterwards Palosik fires home a seeing-eye shot to upper corner for the lead. The rest was history. Really my only gripe was on the Saints PP goal. What was Paul doing? He was caught in nowhere's land. Kudos to the Saints for the adjustment as the PP before they did an umbrella which BG snuffed out pretty good. On the next PP which they scored. They put the strong side winger lower which forced tighter coverage from D man (or it should have). On their goal, Paul just stayed frozen not doing anything, meaning close up on shooter or block passing lane. Demler had the slot covered and Clark had the shot which was a great shot. Clark would have had a chance if he totally committed to the shooter but he didn't because on last PP they tried to feed the slot . Anyway that's me being real picky but those details are what separates the elite from everyone else.

Bottom line BG won the game they were supposed to win!
 
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BG returns to the losing column with 4-0 loss to Clarkson. Actually BG controlled play the first 10 minutes but were stymied and that was the beginning of the end. As I have said many times before, Clarkson's D and team D are about as airtight as can be. They can downright lock-down which bodes very well for them in the NCAA's. In this sense, they are very similar to Cornell with less fire power on O

Random Thoughts:
- Less and Palosik are BG's two best D by a mile
- O'Connor let the puck do the work; had a teammate on his right at the blueline (would have been a breakaway) but instead tries to go thru 3 guys and gets picked
- Paul might be a right handed Demler; please just play it simple defensive d man
- Baker continues to reek havoc and should have been rewarded with a early goal; if he slows down (processes) that puck should have gone far post and not chest
- Strong lots of activity/energy but not much results
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Re: Dartmouth Big Green Season 2019-20; Now or Never

I agree with your assessment. I thought Dartmouth played pretty well for the most part, but just ran into one of those self-evident truths of sports, which is "sometimes the opponent is just better than you, and playing to their capability."

In other news, it was reported last week that Shane Sellar has entered the transfer portal. Ivy schools don't make it easy on players who get a 5th year playing remaining at their school. Too bad; I think Shane was poised to have a solid year.
 
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