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D3 Scores and Highlights - 2010/11

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I did it for the men's so here is a projecion for the women's

If there NCAA Regional Rankings were released today, here is a look on how they likely would look.

East
1- RIT
2- Plattsburgh
3- Norwich
4- Amherst
5- Elmira
6- Middlebury
7- Trinity
8- Manhattanville
9- Neumann

West
1- Wis. River Falls
2- Gustavus Adolphus
3- Wis. Superior
4- Lake Forest
5- Wis. Stevens Point
6- Wis. Eau-Claire
 
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Matt Rennell said:
I did it for the men's so here is a projecion for the women's

If there NCAA Regional Rankings were released today, here is a look on how they likely would look.

East
1- RIT
2- Plattsburgh
3- Norwich
4- Amherst
5- Elmira
6- Middlebury
7- Trinity
8- Manhattanville
9- Neumann

West
1- Wis. River Falls
2- Gustavus Adolphus
3- Wis. Superior
4- Lake Forest
5- Wis. Stevens Point
6- Wis. Eau-Claire
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Surprised to see Lake Forest and UWSP that high considering that Adrian has a better record and UWEC just finished sweeping UWSP (which seems to be slipping).
 
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notfromaroundhere said:
Surprised to see Lake Forest and UWSP that high considering that Adrian has a better record and UWEC just finished sweeping UWSP (which seems to be slipping).
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You are correct in that Adrian does have a better record, however their SOS is crushing them. Here is how the four teams you mentioned compare in SOS.

UWSP: 0.5619
Lake Forest: 0.5463
UWEC: 0.5068
Adrian: 0.4373

As for the UWEC/UWSP comparison. It was razor thin, but aside from the H2H, UWEC's only other advantage was a slim lead in Win %. Point has a HUGE advantage in SOS and has a significant advantage in record vs. common opponents (6-2-0 to 3-3-1). All in all, you could make a case to flip UWEC ahead, but I feel that the sizable advantage Point has in SOS and Common Ops is enough to overcome the H2H losses. It's all a matter of opinion though as there is no way to know how the committee will weigh the criteria.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
You are correct in that Adrian does have a better record, however their SOS is crushing them. Here is how the four teams you mentioned compare in SOS.

UWSP: 0.5619
Lake Forest: 0.5463
UWEC: 0.5068
Adrian: 0.4373

As for the UWEC/UWSP comparison. It was razor thin, but aside from the H2H, UWEC's only other advantage was a slim lead in Win %. Point has a HUGE advantage in SOS and has a significant advantage in record vs. common opponents (6-2-0 to 3-3-1). All in all, you could make a case to flip UWEC ahead, but I feel that the sizable advantage Point has in SOS and Common Ops is enough to overcome the H2H losses. It's all a matter of opinion though as there is no way to know how the committee will weigh the criteria.
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Thanks for the insight. IMHO, you can throw a blanket over UWSP, UWEC, St. Norbert, LF, Adrian, Concordia, and St. Scholastica looking at the generally close games and scissors/rock/paper type of results between some of them. Should make for an exciting stretch run and NCHA tournament (except for the one of that group that doesn't make the cut given that UWRF and UWS are already in). Injuries/illness and hot goalies will definitely come into play. And even past the first round (best of 3 as I remember where UWRF's depth makes it difficult for a team to take 2), I think any one of these teams (given the injury/illness/hot goalie factor) can knock off RF/UWS in the semis or finals. IMHO, the NCHA probably has the most competitive hockey (parity) of any league in D3.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
I did it for the men's so here is a projecion for the women's

If there NCAA Regional Rankings were released today, here is a look on how they likely would look.

East
1- RIT
2- Plattsburgh
3- Norwich
4- Amherst
5- Elmira
6- Middlebury
7- Trinity
8- Manhattanville
9- Neumann

West
1- Wis. River Falls
2- Gustavus Adolphus
3- Wis. Superior
4- Lake Forest
5- Wis. Stevens Point
6- Wis. Eau-Claire
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It would seem to me, given how things are going out west this year, and given that the west hosted last year, and given how things are going out east this year, the NCAA is going to end up with another 5-2 split. So the real questions would seem to come down to the following:

1. If no upsets in three eastern conferences, it would seem that a 3rd ECAC-West team could ace out the NESCAC runner up?
2. If UWRF or GAC fall in conference playoffs, would NCAA have the guts to go 4-3 with an eastern FF?
3. What if Manhattanville knocks off Norwich or, Trininty/Middlebury knocks off Amherst. Could-ECAC West end up with only one spot?
 
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River Falls would have a good shot if they stayed undefeated to make it a 4-3.

I don't think Gustavus though.
 
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spike said:
It would seem to me, given how things are going out west this year, and given that the west hosted last year, and given how things are going out east this year, the NCAA is going to end up with another 5-2 split. So the real questions would seem to come down to the following:

1. If no upsets in three eastern conferences, it would seem that a 3rd ECAC-West team could ace out the NESCAC runner up?
2. If UWRF or GAC fall in conference playoffs, would NCAA have the guts to go 4-3 with an eastern FF?
3. What if Manhattanville knocks off Norwich or, Trininty/Middlebury knocks off Amherst. Could-ECAC West end up with only one spot?
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1. From the NCAA Regional rankings the answer would be yes to the 3rd ECAC-West.
2. GAC probably isn't ranked high enough to warrant a 3rd west seed. RF could warrant a 3rd seat (given that is their only loss of the season in the tournament) but IIRC a 1-loss west team has been left out before many years ago. If the team were Adrian to win the NCHA tourney, NCAA would send Adrian to play the RIT/Elmira unless RIT has the bye, leaving RF to play GAC. If Elmira doesnt' knock off Platty and stays home, perhaps this goes out the window.
3. Yes, unless Elmira runs the table at the tourney.
 
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notfromaroundhere said:
1. From the NCAA Regional rankings the answer would be yes to the 3rd ECAC-West.
2. GAC probably isn't ranked high enough to warrant a 3rd west seed. RF could warrant a 3rd seat (given that is their only loss of the season in the tournament) but IIRC a 1-loss west team has been left out before many years ago. .
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Stevens Point was left out a long time ago, but it was a different scenario. I don't remember what team got in ahead of them(maybe Elmira?)...but that was back when the there were two conferences vying for 1 pool B slot and pool B's weren't eligible for Pool C. In today's arrangement...it would be absolutely ridiculous for River Falls to go undefeated and lose in the NCHA semi's or finals and not get a berth. I can't see a scenario out east that would allow for that...Maybe RIT running the table and Elmira winning the West..eventhough that means that Platty would have lost another game, however, I really can't forsee that happening.

The River Falls/Superior series will be huge for determining the east/west split.
 
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gojackets said:
Stevens Point was left out a long time ago, but it was a different scenario. I don't remember what team got in ahead of them(maybe Elmira?)...but that was back when the there were two conferences vying for 1 pool B slot and pool B's weren't eligible for Pool C. In today's arrangement...it would be absolutely ridiculous for River Falls to go undefeated and lose in the NCHA semi's or finals and not get a berth. I can't see a scenario out east that would allow for that...Maybe RIT running the table and Elmira winning the West..eventhough that means that Platty would have lost another game, however, I really can't forsee that happening.

The River Falls/Superior series will be huge for determining the east/west split.
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It was 2002. The very first year the NCAA sponsored a D-III championship.

Elmira was 24-1-1 and Stevens Point was 26-1.

Both the ECAC West and NCHA had less than the seven teams needed for an automatic berth so they both were in competition for the lone Pool B bid. The committee went with Elmira and the rest is history.
 
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notfromaroundhere said:
Surprised to see Lake Forest and UWSP that high considering that Adrian has a better record and UWEC just finished sweeping UWSP (which seems to be slipping).
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You also have to remember that Adrian's games against the eastern teams..RIT..don't count toward their SOS...which is one reason why their SOS is so low. They also haven't played most of the tough NCHA teams...as that progresses their SOS will increase, unless he's already taken that into account.
 
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The outcome of the Holy Cross game will have no bearing so here it goes.
This Weeks Top 15 Berry Patch Poll and their combined %'s

1. UWRF .969
2. RIT .928
3. Platty .760
4. Trinity .750
5. Middlebury .708
6. Norwich .703
7. GAC .695
8. M'Ville .693
9. Elmira .690
10. UWS .656
11. Amherst .616
12. Bowdoiin .598
13. St Mary .589
14. UWEC .573
15. Holy Cross .564 (if they win)
Concordia mn .559
 
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gojackets said:
You also have to remember that Adrian's games against the eastern teams..RIT..don't count toward their SOS...which is one reason why their SOS is so low. They also haven't played most of the tough NCHA teams...as that progresses their SOS will increase, unless he's already taken that into account.
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Future games are not taken into account, only games played. So yes, you can expect their SOS to increase after facing those teams.
 
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