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D3 Regional Rankings and Bracketology
- Thread starter gojackets
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Who would you rather play for, a team like Union that never makes it into their conference playoffs or a team like Plattsburgh where you're guaranteed a spot in the NCAA tournament and a chance to compete for a national championship every year? I know my answer but there are D3 level players on those low end D1 teams that chose to go to Union, Merrimack, RIT, etc, just so they could say they played D1 hockey.
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PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
....and losing a full year of eligibility
In some cases it's the parents that are to blame because they are so preoccupied grooming their daughters as they grow up to make it to D1 because they are living vicariously through their daughters that by the time the girls are at an age to make a decision they're sort of brainwashed to choose any D1 opportunity that might come along. In other cases it's a matter of keeping up with the Joneses because one or two teammates made it to D1 "and if they made it to D1 then so can my daughter."
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Some D1 bubble players go to Plattsburgh just so they can say that they didn't go D1 but at least they are at Platty. Does anyone know how often Houle loses a recruit to another school?
Remember, players go to Plattsburgh to Win a D3 Championship not to get the best possible education. Bravo to the D1 bubble players that go D3 and pick a school based upon many factors, not just the hockey.
Some D1 bubble players go to Plattsburgh just so they can say that they didn't go D1 but at least they are at Platty. Does anyone know how often Houle loses a recruit to another school?
Remember, players go to Plattsburgh to Win a D3 Championship not to get the best possible education. Bravo to the D1 bubble players that go D3 and pick a school based upon many factors, not just the hockey.
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Umm... Union vs Plattsburgh State College isn't even a contest. Don't forget that they need a JOB!!!
Umm... Union vs Plattsburgh State College isn't even a contest. Don't forget that they need a JOB!!!
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Either I am missing the point or you are. The top end players at Platty and other high end D3 teams, can easily play at most D1 schools. Maybe not for the more speedy stacked teams like BC, MN, WI etc but easily at Yale, Brown, Union, Merrimack, UNH, Providence to name a few. For a plethora of reasons these girls choose to play D3, whether they don't have the grades for an Ivy, or they do and choose a NESCAC for more quality of life(season starts later), could be $$$ (numerous "D!" schools do not offer schollies) could be for any number of reasons. Because a player is playing D3 doesn't automatically make them a bubble D1 either. The bottom D1 schools would have a hard time getting by Platty , the top NESCAC schools and a few other D3 schools to name a few. Having been to hundreds of games there is no difference in speed ( possibly one or two player exception) between the D1 schools mentioned above and the top players on the higher end D3 teams.
Either I am missing the point or you are. The top end players at Platty and other high end D3 teams, can easily play at most D1 schools. Maybe not for the more speedy stacked teams like BC, MN, WI etc but easily at Yale, Brown, Union, Merrimack, UNH, Providence to name a few. For a plethora of reasons these girls choose to play D3, whether they don't have the grades for an Ivy, or they do and choose a NESCAC for more quality of life(season starts later), could be $$$ (numerous "D!" schools do not offer schollies) could be for any number of reasons. Because a player is playing D3 doesn't automatically make them a bubble D1 either. The bottom D1 schools would have a hard time getting by Platty , the top NESCAC schools and a few other D3 schools to name a few. Having been to hundreds of games there is no difference in speed ( possibly one or two player exception) between the D1 schools mentioned above and the top players on the higher end D3 teams.
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PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Can you post the current unemployment numbers for Plattsburgh State Women's Hockey graduates over the past 8 years since your claim is they don't have jobs lol
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She played well over half the games her freshman year. Her speed stood out early, and we knew it was only going to be a matter of her adjusting to the college skill level.
She played well over half the games her freshman year. Her speed stood out early, and we knew it was only going to be a matter of her adjusting to the college skill level.
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The whole snobbery about a Plattsburgh education not being a "real education" is really starting to **** me off. Three months before my graduation, I had my job lined up, and had turned down an offer from IBM. In addition, because I went to a lowly state school, I didn't have to sell a kidney to pay for it. Fifteen years later, I own a successful business. The private universities have sold the public a line about how much their name is worth (and trust me, you pay for it) when in reality, employers know that the lowly state universities have quality programs and quality graduates.
Sincerely,
A proud graduate of two state universities...
The whole snobbery about a Plattsburgh education not being a "real education" is really starting to **** me off. Three months before my graduation, I had my job lined up, and had turned down an offer from IBM. In addition, because I went to a lowly state school, I didn't have to sell a kidney to pay for it. Fifteen years later, I own a successful business. The private universities have sold the public a line about how much their name is worth (and trust me, you pay for it) when in reality, employers know that the lowly state universities have quality programs and quality graduates.
Sincerely,
A proud graduate of two state universities...
SeymoreHockey
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Hmmm....my D got her degree from Platty and is now making a six figure salary, full benefits and pension in her chosen field. Not too shabby, I'd say. Her choice and I'm very proud of her decision. It's a good school, and a GREAT hockey program.
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Perhaps my post left the unemployment question remaining, my point was that in theory a Union Grad will have a better opportunity in the market ($ too) vs a PSC Grad. Certainly you wouldn't debate that Union is a much better school than PSC would you?
Perhaps my post left the unemployment question remaining, my point was that in theory a Union Grad will have a better opportunity in the market ($ too) vs a PSC Grad. Certainly you wouldn't debate that Union is a much better school than PSC would you?
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Perhaps you need a xanax?! Most state colleges are fine schools and serve a purpose. Pretty soon when Bernie is Prez they shall be free! LOL
Plattsburgh doesn't compare to many schools in D3, academically. Based upon the rankings (I know the PSC fans know about rankings and there not just for hockey). Yes your daughter might be able to be PSC Grad and make 6 figures and in theory if is she was a NESCAC Grad than she would make more with greater opportunities. In theory sensitive people, theory.
Perhaps you need a xanax?! Most state colleges are fine schools and serve a purpose. Pretty soon when Bernie is Prez they shall be free! LOL
Plattsburgh doesn't compare to many schools in D3, academically. Based upon the rankings (I know the PSC fans know about rankings and there not just for hockey). Yes your daughter might be able to be PSC Grad and make 6 figures and in theory if is she was a NESCAC Grad than she would make more with greater opportunities. In theory sensitive people, theory.
SeymoreHockey
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I dunno...she got two national championships, a degree in her chosen field, a great job and lifetime of terrific memories and friends. Sounds pretty good to me.
I dunno...she got two national championships, a degree in her chosen field, a great job and lifetime of terrific memories and friends. Sounds pretty good to me.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Theory? LoL get over your high elitists status. Once again, show me factual data where PSU womens hockey players are struggling in life after hockey. People don't have to go to school to have the deepest pockets. People don't have to go to non SUNY schools to find good/great paying jobs. People don't have to go to non SUNY schools to live a comfortable happy life. People don't have to go to a non SUNY school to be able to find a job post graduation. By the way, one of my coworkers is a Middlebury grad ('07), spent 1 year working as an intern post graduation and is now in a career that has nothing to do with his degree. And when he starts the whole hockey championship number game with me, I simply ask hows life paying back his several hundred dollars a month student loans....and yes, I still make more than him....
You're "theory" while might inflate your ego, means less in todays world of life. I've had this conversation with some higher ups at a local medical cooperation and in short, they could care less about what name is on the diploma, but more importantly the person holding it. Just because you go to an elitists school, doesn't mean you're worth the investment.
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Not true on the women's side. You can make the jump from D2/D3 to D1, or vice versa, and you don't have to sit for a year. Some of the women's D1 conferences (Hockey East, WCHA) have rules in place where you have to sit a year if you transfer within the conference but everything else is fair game. Nico Jensen played two years at Castleton and transferred to UNH and played immediately. She just finished her senior year.
Not true on the women's side. You can make the jump from D2/D3 to D1, or vice versa, and you don't have to sit for a year. Some of the women's D1 conferences (Hockey East, WCHA) have rules in place where you have to sit a year if you transfer within the conference but everything else is fair game. Nico Jensen played two years at Castleton and transferred to UNH and played immediately. She just finished her senior year.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Thank you for that, I stand corrected (and a little disappointed). Why it's rule for men and not women is sexist IMO.
gojackets
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The funny thing is that while the NESCAC schools think they are Elite and the best...and in many ways the rankings show that....no one knows they exist outside of people in New England. Growing up in Iowa/Wisconsin I'd never heard of Middlebury or Williams until I went to UW-S and started following college hockey. I talked to our Career Center lady at the school I teach at in Arizona and she'd never heard of the NESCAC or any of the schools. Kids out here generally only care about California, Arizona schools or the Ivies. (and of course BYU)
While I agree to some extent that a degree from one school may get you a better position or salary than a degree from another school it isn't always the case. I had a friend that went to Stanford to be a teacher...I don't see the point in that. You're going to pay $50,000 a year to make 35,000 a year when you start (if you're lucky). Will it give you an advantage when job hunting...possibly if you're an English or social studies teacher...but Math or Science it doesn't matter. Schools have a salary schedule or in our case a formula. It doesn't matter where you went to school or what your GPA was...everyone starts at the same spot.
Now I know teaching is a lot different then other careers...but most places have a starting salary and you aren't going to necessarily get a better salary until you prove yourself in the career.
The funny thing is that while the NESCAC schools think they are Elite and the best...and in many ways the rankings show that....no one knows they exist outside of people in New England. Growing up in Iowa/Wisconsin I'd never heard of Middlebury or Williams until I went to UW-S and started following college hockey. I talked to our Career Center lady at the school I teach at in Arizona and she'd never heard of the NESCAC or any of the schools. Kids out here generally only care about California, Arizona schools or the Ivies. (and of course BYU)
While I agree to some extent that a degree from one school may get you a better position or salary than a degree from another school it isn't always the case. I had a friend that went to Stanford to be a teacher...I don't see the point in that. You're going to pay $50,000 a year to make 35,000 a year when you start (if you're lucky). Will it give you an advantage when job hunting...possibly if you're an English or social studies teacher...but Math or Science it doesn't matter. Schools have a salary schedule or in our case a formula. It doesn't matter where you went to school or what your GPA was...everyone starts at the same spot.
Now I know teaching is a lot different then other careers...but most places have a starting salary and you aren't going to necessarily get a better salary until you prove yourself in the career.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
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Considering there are five NESCAC schools in the top 24 of these rankings of America's Top Colleges I think your statement is ridiculous.
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#tab:rank
Considering there are five NESCAC schools in the top 24 of these rankings of America's Top Colleges I think your statement is ridiculous.
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#tab:rank