D3 NCAA Tournament

[Tweedle Dee]

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I also was at the game, but I guess you don't care to review the call because the terrible call favored your team. Here is the link http://www.ncaa.com/video/archive/icehockey-women, so you don't have to be blissful anymore... Once you get to the video page, you will have to scroll down to the RIT/Plattsburgh highlights. It was a joke of a decision, actually proving my point that RIT was supposed to advance to the championship game, no matter what. Just my conspiracy theory... And to clarify, the footage from above is conveniently NOT on the NCAA website, but I can definately get it.

If they showed from the overhead camera, which Ritter Arena does have over each goal, maybe you could tell better. Goal judges aren't infalliable and the ref was right there the whole time. Ref lost sight of the puck and blew the play dead, net was kocked off by an RIT player, and the goal light went on all within a second of each other. Clearly the ref didn't see enough to overturn his decision. So until I see the overhead shot ignorance is still bliss. Now get off this subject your ruining my dubstep.

 

[statusquo]

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If they showed from the overhead camera, which Ritter Arena does have over each goal, maybe you could tell better. Goal judges aren't infalliable and the ref was right there the whole time. Ref lost sight of the puck and blew the play dead, net was kocked off by an RIT player, and the goal light went on all within a second of each other. Clearly the ref didn't see enough to overturn his decision. So until I see the overhead shot ignorance is still bliss. Now get off this subject your ruining my dubstep.

Actually, I would hope that somebody other than the ref that made the call reviewed it, but either way the wrong decision was made. And if RIT was the team that got cheated out of a goal, I am sure you and your pals would be just as vocal. And, I apologize if I am "ruining your dubstep". The truth has a way of doing that

 

[statusquo]

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I will say I was surprised that Fisk got the Goalie slot on the All-Tournament team over Aveson (Chamberlain was MOP and thus apparently ineligible for the All-Tournament team). Fisk allowed seven goals on the weekend, including three late in a previously tied game in the final, while Aveson kept her team close and into overtime in both of her games, allowing only four goals. Plus RIT ended up with only two players (plus Chamberlain) on the All-Tournament squad, which struck me as unusual.

Still, a great tournament and a great way for RIT to end their D-III days. I hope when the tournament moves to a neutral site that the energy level and fan interest can be maintained.


Powers &8^]

Where is the all tournament team listed?

 

[LtPowers]

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Have you looked at the replay? RIT knocked it off ...but that really doesn't matter because the puck was behind the line BEFORE it was knocked off... The goal official turned on the light BEFORE the goal gets knocked off. There is actually footage looking down onto the net, showing the puck in over the line and the net intact. This is where the conspiracy theory comes from.....

I was watching the game online and they showed the exact same feed the refs were looking at, complete with rewinding and forwarding. They looked exclusively at the overhead camera, which never showed any sign of the puck actually crossing the goal line. The call on the ice was "no goal", and there was absolutely nothing in the video evidence that could even remotely be considered to justify overturning that.

If you have a screenshot that clearly shows the puck over the goal line, I'd be interested to see it. The refs never did, so they made the only call they could.

Your bizarre conspiracy theory seems to ignore the fact that Plattsburgh tied it up for real a few minutes later, and that anything could have happened in overtime. Or are the refs responsible for the 6-1 shot advantage RIT had in overtime, too?


Powers &8^]

 

[rinky dink]

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I was watching the game online and they showed the exact same feed the refs were looking at, complete with rewinding and forwarding. They looked exclusively at the overhead camera, which never showed any sign of the puck actually crossing the goal line. The call on the ice was "no goal", and there was absolutely nothing in the video evidence that could even remotely be considered to justify overturning that.

If you have a screenshot that clearly shows the puck over the goal line, I'd be interested to see it. The refs never did, so they made the only call they could.

Your bizarre conspiracy theory seems to ignore the fact that Plattsburgh tied it up for real a few minutes later, and that anything could have happened in overtime. Or are the refs responsible for the 6-1 shot advantage RIT had in overtime, too?


Powers &8^]

I agree with your reply, and let's not forget that Plattsburgh got into the semis with a very questionable call in the quarters that impacted the outcome. It always seems what goes around comes around.

 

[statusquo]

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I was watching the game online and they showed the exact same feed the refs were looking at, complete with rewinding and forwarding. They looked exclusively at the overhead camera, which never showed any sign of the puck actually crossing the goal line. The call on the ice was "no goal", and there was absolutely nothing in the video evidence that could even remotely be considered to justify overturning that.

If you have a screenshot that clearly shows the puck over the goal line, I'd be interested to see it. The refs never did, so they made the only call they could.

Your bizarre conspiracy theory seems to ignore the fact that Plattsburgh tied it up for real a few minutes later, and that anything could have happened in overtime. Or are the refs responsible for the 6-1 shot advantage RIT had in overtime, too?


Powers &8^]

If they had counted the goal like they should have, when Plattsburgh scored a few minutes later, it would have been the go ahead goal, and not the tying goal. Most likely, the 6-1 shot advantage in OT never would have been an issue, because there never would have been OT. My conspiracy theory is not with the refs, but with the NCAA, making sure that RIT won the championship, because of the fact that they are going DI next year.. I mean what a perfect scenario to validate their decision to make RIT DI. They are the number one seed in the tournament, therefore getting hosting rights, AND they win the championship three days before officially announcing they are going DI next year. I mean what a way to go out with a bang!

 

[statusquo]

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I agree with your reply, and let's not forget that Plattsburgh got into the semis with a very questionable call in the quarters that impacted the outcome. It always seems what goes around comes around.

Questionable how? A five minute major for a check from behind, is not nearly as questionable as not calling a goal a goal...And everybody seems to forget that Middlebury got a 5x3 on two calls earlier in the game, which some would say were "ticky-tack". Both teams scored twice during their opportunities, therefore letting the final game decision rest on the only 5x5 goal, which was scored by Plattsburgh. No controversy there, because each team was given the same opportunity to capitalize on situations that could easily turn the tide of a game.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Where is the all tournament team listed?

F. Jenny Kistner, Plattsburgh
F. Julie Fortier, Norwich
F. Kourtney Kunichika, RIT
D. Kristina Moss, RIT
D. Sarianne Lynn, Norwich
G. Kelly Fisk, Norwich

MVP: Laura Chamberlain, RIT

 

[rinky dink]

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Questionable how? A five minute major for a check from behind, is not nearly as questionable as not calling a goal a goal...And everybody seems to forget that Middlebury got a 5x3 on two calls earlier in the game, which some would say were "ticky-tack". Both teams scored twice during their opportunities, therefore letting the final game decision rest on the only 5x5 goal, which was scored by Plattsburgh. No controversy there, because each team was given the same opportunity to capitalize on situations that could easily turn the tide of a game.

Please!! There were at least 3 to 4 hits this past weekend that were no where near what happened at Middlebury. Thankfully the refs let the game go on, as they should have. As for the two Plattsburgh penalties the previous weekend, the first penalty was a definite call, the 2nd one was questionable. The only reason that I brought this up was that refffing is bad at the DIII level, but I thought this championship weekend was really well officiated, and the ourtcome was determined on the ice and not by the refs. Everyone have a great summer, as it is time to let RIT glow in their well deserved championship.

 

[LtPowers]

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If they had counted the goal like they should have, when Plattsburgh scored a few minutes later, it would have been the go ahead goal, and not the tying goal.

Yeah, except a tie game is totally different from a 1-0 RIT lead, so who's to say Plattsburgh would still have scored that second goal? Both teams would have changed their formations and game plans, even if only slightly. You never know what would have happened.

The point is, Plattsburgh had plenty of chances to make up for any possible "fix" that the NCAA put in place. The girls on the ice still had to get the job done on the ice, and it's not fair to them -- any of them -- to claim that external factors had more of an effect on the outcome than the players did. If you have any respect for the Plattsburgh Cardinals at all, just drop this conspiracy nonsense.


Powers &8^]

 

[Phil D. Stands]

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Yeah, except a tie game is totally different from a 1-0 RIT lead, so who's to say Plattsburgh would still have scored that second goal? Both teams would have changed their formations and game plans, even if only slightly. You never know what would have happened.

The point is, Plattsburgh had plenty of chances to make up for any possible "fix" that the NCAA put in place. The girls on the ice still had to get the job done on the ice, and it's not fair to them -- any of them -- to claim that external factors had more of an effect on the outcome than the players did. If you have any respect for the Plattsburgh Cardinals at all, just drop this conspiracy nonsense.


Powers &8^]

Wait! Wait! It fits: there are more than a few grassy knolls at RIT and with the convenient "death" of their D3 program in Oz-world while they Ruby slipper their way "home" to D1...(mixing Oz/JFK metaphors, sorry)...cue the Warren Commissioner! I smell an NCIA black op!

 

[gojackets]

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My conspiracy theory is not with the refs, but with the NCAA, making sure that RIT won the championship, because of the fact that they are going DI next year.. I mean what a perfect scenario to validate their decision to make RIT DI. They are the number one seed in the tournament, therefore getting hosting rights, AND they win the championship three days before officially announcing they are going DI next year. I mean what a way to go out with a bang!

Does the NCAA have jedi knights on their side?? How could the NCAA determine the outcome of the game, if the refs were not involved? RIT earned the right to host...so I don't know why your upset about this.

 

[ARM]

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I'd almost be encouraged if the NCAA was interested enough to bother fixing the result of a women's hockey game, because it tends to err on the side of apathy rather than manipulation where our sport is concerned. Because there was a basketball tournament underway, I'd suspect that all of the NCAA minions were otherwise employed. If the NCAA wanted to make a bang in women's hockey, it would be simpler to put the games on TV.