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D3 Hockey is back!
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FanofGoodHockey
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People want to continue to talk about Gustavus when the reality is...they haven't won their conference, nor have they been to the NCAA tournament for the past two years. Every team deals with injuries during the season and stating all "their injuries" are just excuses. Good teams adjust to injuries. Their dominance in the west is over.
People want to continue to talk about Gustavus when the reality is...they haven't won their conference, nor have they been to the NCAA tournament for the past two years. Every team deals with injuries during the season and stating all "their injuries" are just excuses. Good teams adjust to injuries. Their dominance in the west is over.
HockeyEast33
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I haven't seen GA play and am writing from ignorance, but injuries like this (aside from the broken neck which was an accident resulting from a player falling down unexpectedly) suggest that GA is trying to play a physical game and that usually is a coaching/playing style associated with deficient talent. Just saying....
I haven't seen GA play and am writing from ignorance, but injuries like this (aside from the broken neck which was an accident resulting from a player falling down unexpectedly) suggest that GA is trying to play a physical game and that usually is a coaching/playing style associated with deficient talent. Just saying....
HockeyEast33
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Since I bashed them earlier about Stevenson and Hamline (still sticking with that though), kudos to Matt and Candace for calling the competitiveness of Castleton with Middlebury. I was surprised after the Williams result that Castleton could compete with and beat Middlebury.
Since I bashed them earlier about Stevenson and Hamline (still sticking with that though), kudos to Matt and Candace for calling the competitiveness of Castleton with Middlebury. I was surprised after the Williams result that Castleton could compete with and beat Middlebury.
FanofGoodHockey
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They probably took a look at the fact that of Middlebury's 4 wins: 2 against Trinity who is 2-4. 1 against UWSP who is about to be 6-6-2. 1 against Conn College who is 1-4-1. So, they have ZERO quality wins. Middlebury hasn't proved anything yet. And, once again they continue to be a team who "because they have always been good in the past" they are always going to be considered a top 10 team. Much like Gustavus, etc. We have new teams rising to the top and the gap is closing and things are becoming more competitive (aside from Plattsburgh and Elmira who have always been there).
They probably took a look at the fact that of Middlebury's 4 wins: 2 against Trinity who is 2-4. 1 against UWSP who is about to be 6-6-2. 1 against Conn College who is 1-4-1. So, they have ZERO quality wins. Middlebury hasn't proved anything yet. And, once again they continue to be a team who "because they have always been good in the past" they are always going to be considered a top 10 team. Much like Gustavus, etc. We have new teams rising to the top and the gap is closing and things are becoming more competitive (aside from Plattsburgh and Elmira who have always been there).
HockeyEast33
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Elsewhere (maybe in the NESCAC thread) there are several folks (myself included) that believe that Amherst and Middlebury are the strongest teams in the NESCAC this season. Trinity and Conn drew each of them in the first 2 weekends, which is why they each have 4 losses. I think by the end of the season you will see that these two teams are solid squads that are significantly better than .500 (on the strength of out of conference wins). Time will tell for all the teams noted.
Elsewhere (maybe in the NESCAC thread) there are several folks (myself included) that believe that Amherst and Middlebury are the strongest teams in the NESCAC this season. Trinity and Conn drew each of them in the first 2 weekends, which is why they each have 4 losses. I think by the end of the season you will see that these two teams are solid squads that are significantly better than .500 (on the strength of out of conference wins). Time will tell for all the teams noted.
CrossCheck
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Totally agree...Midd is a very good team [probably not as good in year's past, but still good]...loss of Fluke and the 2 Sr. goalies is really showing.
Trinity and Conn both have played a brutal schedule [Conn has played nearly all ranked teams...and HC could easily be ranked as well...and just can't score a goal to save their lives...lowest scoring team in the nation. They should improve in 2nd half]. Trinity will def get better...and get's an easier nescac schedule in the 2nd half. Amherst could be the real deal...mowing 'em down all year.
Totally agree...Midd is a very good team [probably not as good in year's past, but still good]...loss of Fluke and the 2 Sr. goalies is really showing.
Trinity and Conn both have played a brutal schedule [Conn has played nearly all ranked teams...and HC could easily be ranked as well...and just can't score a goal to save their lives...lowest scoring team in the nation. They should improve in 2nd half]. Trinity will def get better...and get's an easier nescac schedule in the 2nd half. Amherst could be the real deal...mowing 'em down all year.
CrossCheck
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LOL....Don't you mean "Fanfor5minutes" who needs to maybe watch the games for a season or two [before those 4 posts of yours look even less impressive than they already do].
LOL....Don't you mean "Fanfor5minutes" who needs to maybe watch the games for a season or two [before those 4 posts of yours look even less impressive than they already do].
ARM
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There is no way that you can conclude that concussions, which are the majority of the injuries listed, are coming from any style of play or talent level. In my experience, players of all types of abilities suffer concussions in a variety of situations, and there is no real pattern as to the style of play of those being injured. The opponent, maybe, but even that is a stretch. Most of the separated shoulders that I've observed have come as a result of the action of an opponent, such as a hit from behind or trip into the boards. Good teams, bad teams, and all those in between can suffer injuries. Like you, I have no idea which description fits Gustavus.
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Well said ARM. I've been around the girls womens game now for the past 10 years. As far as separated shoulders or broken collarbones go I have seen 2 where they were from collisions in the neutral zone where both players didn't see the other one coming. One was a girl I coached who came off the ice on her own power during play and all she said is I think I hurt my shoulder coach. Her collarbone was broke after xrays. Most guys would of laid on the ice in pain. She was as tough as they come.
Well said ARM. I've been around the girls womens game now for the past 10 years. As far as separated shoulders or broken collarbones go I have seen 2 where they were from collisions in the neutral zone where both players didn't see the other one coming. One was a girl I coached who came off the ice on her own power during play and all she said is I think I hurt my shoulder coach. Her collarbone was broke after xrays. Most guys would of laid on the ice in pain. She was as tough as they come.
FanofGoodHockey
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So "number of posts" mean that you have "quality posts"? All I'm saying is that, I think it's time to stop assuming some of these teams are always top 10 teams. It's funny how nobody has posted the "Krach Rankings" on here when for all intents and purposes they mirror what the NCAA selection committee sees. Winning Percentage, Strength of Schedule, etc. And, based on what I see in that...Middlebury is #13. But, what does some idiot math genius know who put that together?
And, for the record, I do think the East is stronger than the West. Every game, NCAA tournament etc has continued to prove that.
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-iii-women/
So "number of posts" mean that you have "quality posts"? All I'm saying is that, I think it's time to stop assuming some of these teams are always top 10 teams. It's funny how nobody has posted the "Krach Rankings" on here when for all intents and purposes they mirror what the NCAA selection committee sees. Winning Percentage, Strength of Schedule, etc. And, based on what I see in that...Middlebury is #13. But, what does some idiot math genius know who put that together?
And, for the record, I do think the East is stronger than the West. Every game, NCAA tournament etc has continued to prove that.
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/krach/d-iii-women/
gojackets
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Some advice...ignore anything that Crosscheck says.
I would say that at this point KRACH has some flaws. Buffalo State will be nowhere near #11 in a month.
Some advice...ignore anything that Crosscheck says.
I would say that at this point KRACH has some flaws. Buffalo State will be nowhere near #11 in a month.
FanofGoodHockey
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Yes, I agree it does have flaws. But, if you look at the strength of schedule with some of those teams, it means as soon as they lose to some quality opponents they will drop in a quick hurry. All I was trying to point out is that there is some merit to it and some people tend to always claim certain programs belong in places that they don't, just because "they have been there in the past."
Yes, I agree it does have flaws. But, if you look at the strength of schedule with some of those teams, it means as soon as they lose to some quality opponents they will drop in a quick hurry. All I was trying to point out is that there is some merit to it and some people tend to always claim certain programs belong in places that they don't, just because "they have been there in the past."
CrossCheck
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I don't really disagree with your point on how many here tend to over-rate team [e.g. Middlebury, Norwich] based upon their history. What I'm saying is...despite the records, Middlebury's wins over Trinity and Conn were certainly "Quality wins"...once you see how the season plays out, you will come to realize that fact.
As for GoJakass, my advice is to ignore that ignorant mouth-breather before he gets out his crayons.
I don't really disagree with your point on how many here tend to over-rate team [e.g. Middlebury, Norwich] based upon their history. What I'm saying is...despite the records, Middlebury's wins over Trinity and Conn were certainly "Quality wins"...once you see how the season plays out, you will come to realize that fact.
As for GoJakass, my advice is to ignore that ignorant mouth-breather before he gets out his crayons.
FanofGoodHockey
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Will Crosscheck...given GoJackets has 7,388 posts compared to your 415 and according to you, "the more posts you have means the more you know", I'll side with them on this one. Say whatever you want, but given Conn. College is 1-5-1, I don't consider them a "quality" win. And, sure...I'll give you Trinity given their 4 losses are to Amherst and Middlebury and they haven't played enough games to really gauge where they are yet, but for now, records don't lie and last time I checked, Middlebury got beat by Castleton and tied Conn. College which again is 1-5-1. But, I suppose we blame those games on "goaltending". And, hey then we could say, "If we had a top end goalie our record would be: 8-0." And, that's what the selection committee will say in the end too: "Middlebury lost those games because of goaltending, so lets let them in." Stop being so defensive let this forum serve its purpose and let people post their opinions.
Will Crosscheck...given GoJackets has 7,388 posts compared to your 415 and according to you, "the more posts you have means the more you know", I'll side with them on this one. Say whatever you want, but given Conn. College is 1-5-1, I don't consider them a "quality" win. And, sure...I'll give you Trinity given their 4 losses are to Amherst and Middlebury and they haven't played enough games to really gauge where they are yet, but for now, records don't lie and last time I checked, Middlebury got beat by Castleton and tied Conn. College which again is 1-5-1. But, I suppose we blame those games on "goaltending". And, hey then we could say, "If we had a top end goalie our record would be: 8-0." And, that's what the selection committee will say in the end too: "Middlebury lost those games because of goaltending, so lets let them in." Stop being so defensive let this forum serve its purpose and let people post their opinions.
HockeyEast33
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You made me laugh......
Middlebury has been highly ranked and made the NCA tournament so many times over the years because they have been good - they either won the NESCAC or their success with a high SOS got them there (and M'bury ALWAYS schedules one of if not the toughest out of conference schedules in the country - Plattsburgh, Elmira, Norwich, some Western team that is strong, etc. - few if any cupcakes). Sure, they have a reputation for being good, but it is because they have been - I don't think they should apologize for it. The one year they weren't quite as good (two seasons ago), they finally didn't make the NCAA tournament - and easily could have since they beat the team that got in over them (Elmira) twice that season - they got no pass from the selection committee. Frankly, your comments suggest you are pretty envious of M'bury's success and that doesn't cast you in a good light. Acknowledge reality - M'bury is a consistently strong program and gets some benefit of the doubt from it early in the season. Could be this year that they won't win the NESCAC - time will tell - but I bet they'll be there or close at the end of the season.
You made me laugh......
Middlebury has been highly ranked and made the NCA tournament so many times over the years because they have been good - they either won the NESCAC or their success with a high SOS got them there (and M'bury ALWAYS schedules one of if not the toughest out of conference schedules in the country - Plattsburgh, Elmira, Norwich, some Western team that is strong, etc. - few if any cupcakes). Sure, they have a reputation for being good, but it is because they have been - I don't think they should apologize for it. The one year they weren't quite as good (two seasons ago), they finally didn't make the NCAA tournament - and easily could have since they beat the team that got in over them (Elmira) twice that season - they got no pass from the selection committee. Frankly, your comments suggest you are pretty envious of M'bury's success and that doesn't cast you in a good light. Acknowledge reality - M'bury is a consistently strong program and gets some benefit of the doubt from it early in the season. Could be this year that they won't win the NESCAC - time will tell - but I bet they'll be there or close at the end of the season.
FanofGoodHockey
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I AM envious of their history! It's extremely impressive! And I'm NOT saying that they aren't good. All I'm saying is that in the past they would have never been beat by Castleton and that they are no longer unbeatable by anybody other than the powers that have continued to be. That is ALL I am saying. I am just suggesting it's possible that they are no longer in the "Plattsburgh and Elmira tier."
I AM envious of their history! It's extremely impressive! And I'm NOT saying that they aren't good. All I'm saying is that in the past they would have never been beat by Castleton and that they are no longer unbeatable by anybody other than the powers that have continued to be. That is ALL I am saying. I am just suggesting it's possible that they are no longer in the "Plattsburgh and Elmira tier."
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It would be interesting to see Plattsburgh, Elmira, Middlebury, etc. take 6 to 8 players out of their line up and take on the likes of River Falls, St. Ben's, Augsburg or even each other. and see how they rise to the challenge.
Gustavus dominance in the west maybe over due to parity, lack of talent, poor coaching. But they are the only team to score more than one goal against #1 Plattsburgh this season so far, lost 2-1 to #2 Elmira, split with then #4 St. Thomas, lost to ranked River Falls twice, the second game in overtime. But their SOS is still weak because they haven't scheduled any of the NESCAC schools.
For the 2014-2015 season, which was last year, Gustavus finished the conference with 31 points, five more than St. Thomas. Now granted the MIAC is the worst women's DIII hockey conference in the country but last I checked when you have the best Regular Season Conference Record that usually means you have won the conference. I can not disagree that Gustavus has not won their conference playoffs the last two years and without doing so did not make the NCAA field with the auto qualifier given such a weak conference and poor non conference opponents and weak strength of schedule.
It would be interesting to see Plattsburgh, Elmira, Middlebury, etc. take 6 to 8 players out of their line up and take on the likes of River Falls, St. Ben's, Augsburg or even each other. and see how they rise to the challenge.
Gustavus dominance in the west maybe over due to parity, lack of talent, poor coaching. But they are the only team to score more than one goal against #1 Plattsburgh this season so far, lost 2-1 to #2 Elmira, split with then #4 St. Thomas, lost to ranked River Falls twice, the second game in overtime. But their SOS is still weak because they haven't scheduled any of the NESCAC schools.
CrossCheck
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ok..and with those idiotic statements you belong with go*******....Truly a newbie without a clue about the game or more importantly, the league you are attempting to comment upon. Try looking at the scores and the competition, then get a clue. "1-5-1" means nothing without some context as to whom they played [Amherst x2, Middlebury x2, Castleton, Holy Cross....4 losses vs ranked teams and 1 vs HC and they are good enough to be ranked but I don't think they are eligible at D3 [but again, you'd need to actually review their record and some scores to know that].
ok..and with those idiotic statements you belong with go*******....Truly a newbie without a clue about the game or more importantly, the league you are attempting to comment upon. Try looking at the scores and the competition, then get a clue. "1-5-1" means nothing without some context as to whom they played [Amherst x2, Middlebury x2, Castleton, Holy Cross....4 losses vs ranked teams and 1 vs HC and they are good enough to be ranked but I don't think they are eligible at D3 [but again, you'd need to actually review their record and some scores to know that].