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D3 Decisions: Running up the score
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gojackets
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
I don't really think its that big of a deal...you see these scores a lot more often on the men's side.
If you look at the USM-Plymouth box....you see a lot of 1st and 2nd goals of the season...the one girl got her 1st and 2nd tonight.
USM put up 22 shots in the 1st, 11 in the 2nd, and 8 in the 3rd....clearly they let up as the game went on. You can't fault USM if plymouth cant stop a shot. USM is 4-8...not like they are an all star team.
I don't really think its that big of a deal...you see these scores a lot more often on the men's side.
If you look at the USM-Plymouth box....you see a lot of 1st and 2nd goals of the season...the one girl got her 1st and 2nd tonight.
USM put up 22 shots in the 1st, 11 in the 2nd, and 8 in the 3rd....clearly they let up as the game went on. You can't fault USM if plymouth cant stop a shot. USM is 4-8...not like they are an all star team.
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yeah i mean I know they let up and all. i'm just curious as to when the idea to hit the stop button hits in a coach's mind and if there is some ulterior motive involved.
yeah i mean I know they let up and all. i'm just curious as to when the idea to hit the stop button hits in a coach's mind and if there is some ulterior motive involved.
gojackets
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
I highly doubt there would be an alterior motive between those teams. A few years back, we would talk about how embarrassing it would be for teams like Chatham to have teams like Plattsburgh purposefully playing keep away and not trying to score. You can't have it both ways. USM scored like 10 goals in the first period, clearly played their lower lines most of the rest of the game...don't know what else they could do.
I highly doubt there would be an alterior motive between those teams. A few years back, we would talk about how embarrassing it would be for teams like Chatham to have teams like Plattsburgh purposefully playing keep away and not trying to score. You can't have it both ways. USM scored like 10 goals in the first period, clearly played their lower lines most of the rest of the game...don't know what else they could do.
Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
understood. but as you said, too, USM is not exactly blowing the roof off of any place this season. hard to compare that to a nat'l championship contender. either way, 0-13-0, gotta feel a little bad.
understood. but as you said, too, USM is not exactly blowing the roof off of any place this season. hard to compare that to a nat'l championship contender. either way, 0-13-0, gotta feel a little bad.
posttopost2
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
It is a tough game to play and if you look at the score, the goalie was pulled after the first 6 goals (all in the first period) and then the "back-up" was scored on 10 more times.
I would bet the coach did put the brakes on, the box score doesn't tell the whole story. The coach probably ran his whole bench, and it is tough to tell your players who sit on the bench game after game not to score.
Unfortunately, PSU had a 15-0 loss earlier in the season.
It is a tough game to play and if you look at the score, the goalie was pulled after the first 6 goals (all in the first period) and then the "back-up" was scored on 10 more times.
I would bet the coach did put the brakes on, the box score doesn't tell the whole story. The coach probably ran his whole bench, and it is tough to tell your players who sit on the bench game after game not to score.
Unfortunately, PSU had a 15-0 loss earlier in the season.
valiantfan08
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
16-0 is a Plymouth St problem. Not a USM problem. You don't like it... get better. There are plenty of good women's hockey players out there. PSU go find them.
16-0 is a Plymouth St problem. Not a USM problem. You don't like it... get better. There are plenty of good women's hockey players out there. PSU go find them.
Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
finding them wouldn't seem to be the problem. convincing them to go to your school would be the problem. how do you convince an all-star player to go to your school that has been outscored something like 130-11 in 13 games?
finding them wouldn't seem to be the problem. convincing them to go to your school would be the problem. how do you convince an all-star player to go to your school that has been outscored something like 130-11 in 13 games?
notfromaroundhere
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
Seems that MIT had turned things around (the were respectable, if not a championship team) last year after spending years at the bottom of the standings. And they have a smaller pool of talent to choose from with their admissions standards. It is a shame that the administration shut down the program.
I think Plymouth state has to recruit differently than other schools, as (besides a new rink) it doesn't have anything unique to offer. OOS tuition is steep without much FA available. Their one advantage is that they are the only Public in NH with a womens hockey program. They will need to work harder for the local talent and base their appeal on price and being close to home.
Seems that MIT had turned things around (the were respectable, if not a championship team) last year after spending years at the bottom of the standings. And they have a smaller pool of talent to choose from with their admissions standards. It is a shame that the administration shut down the program.
I think Plymouth state has to recruit differently than other schools, as (besides a new rink) it doesn't have anything unique to offer. OOS tuition is steep without much FA available. Their one advantage is that they are the only Public in NH with a womens hockey program. They will need to work harder for the local talent and base their appeal on price and being close to home.
PrezdeJohnson09
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
It's a shame that this player doesn't have an ICE hockey team to play on anymore..
http://www.uscho.com/stats/gamebygame.php?player=7183&team=135&season=20082009&gender=w
Still at MIT though playing another sport...
http://www.mitathletics.com/sports/w-fieldh/2009-10/files/TEAMCUME.HTM
It's a shame that this player doesn't have an ICE hockey team to play on anymore..
http://www.uscho.com/stats/gamebygame.php?player=7183&team=135&season=20082009&gender=w
Still at MIT though playing another sport...
http://www.mitathletics.com/sports/w-fieldh/2009-10/files/TEAMCUME.HTM
posttopost2
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
I believe that PSU is actually in it's second "offical" year as a varsity team (I seem to remember someone telling me that they were club until two years ago, but I may be wrong). I know that the coach is in her first year of college coaching, so it is going to be a tough up hill battle, but I know that I have seen her out recruiting at many events over the past few months. She probably realizes that it is going to be a struggle to build a team from where she is at now (of course I am not her only going from my perspective and from what I have seen).
However, I know many of the girls that she is trying to recruit, and they have told me that she is telling many of them that she wants them ready to play next year and be ready to make an impact. I do agree that getting girls to play there is going to be tough because there really isn't much to offer except for the chance for girls to play more hockey.
That being said I wish her luck with her recruiting, and who knows she may find a few diamonds in the rough that have been overlooked by other programs.
I believe that PSU is actually in it's second "offical" year as a varsity team (I seem to remember someone telling me that they were club until two years ago, but I may be wrong). I know that the coach is in her first year of college coaching, so it is going to be a tough up hill battle, but I know that I have seen her out recruiting at many events over the past few months. She probably realizes that it is going to be a struggle to build a team from where she is at now (of course I am not her only going from my perspective and from what I have seen).
However, I know many of the girls that she is trying to recruit, and they have told me that she is telling many of them that she wants them ready to play next year and be ready to make an impact. I do agree that getting girls to play there is going to be tough because there really isn't much to offer except for the chance for girls to play more hockey.
That being said I wish her luck with her recruiting, and who knows she may find a few diamonds in the rough that have been overlooked by other programs.
gojackets
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
I also wonder how effectively teams like Marian, CSS, Concordia-WI will be able to recruit. SNC has a long reach, but some of those teams don't. Its going to be hard to find talent in a pretty depleted MN/WI/IL region. Granted not a whole lot of recruits are taken out of WI now, but I'm guessing that will change. I'm pretty sure this is part of the reason for Finlandia's decline. Before Adrian, they were the only D3 instate option for MI. Couple that with being force to spend the winter months in Hancock/Houghton and you don't get good results(?)
I also wonder how effectively teams like Marian, CSS, Concordia-WI will be able to recruit. SNC has a long reach, but some of those teams don't. Its going to be hard to find talent in a pretty depleted MN/WI/IL region. Granted not a whole lot of recruits are taken out of WI now, but I'm guessing that will change. I'm pretty sure this is part of the reason for Finlandia's decline. Before Adrian, they were the only D3 instate option for MI. Couple that with being force to spend the winter months in Hancock/Houghton and you don't get good results(?)
hopefulldad
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
All I know is the PSU coach is out there and is deterimed to put together a team that will contend....she is very energetic and as posttopost says, hopefully will find a few diamonds in the rough, keep your chin up panthers and keep grinding away at it, things WILL get better!
All I know is the PSU coach is out there and is deterimed to put together a team that will contend....she is very energetic and as posttopost says, hopefully will find a few diamonds in the rough, keep your chin up panthers and keep grinding away at it, things WILL get better!
Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
Say What? It never amazes me how much I learn here on the Fan Forum. Here I thought Finlandia was a Norwegian University.
But then again, let's cut Finlandia a little slack here! They just went throught the tough part of their schedule and now get to the cream puffs.
Look for them to post the best record in their programs history.
And a few questions for you sports PC fanatics out their. In a game in which the score "might" get totally out of hand, or a game where one team is hands down superior talentwise to another, or a game in which every bounce goes against a team, or a game in which a team appears to be playing a blind goalie, what should happen???
1) Does the talent deficient team just forfeit.
2) Does the losing coach throw in the towel and if so after which goal is scored - 4th? 7th? 10th?.....
3) When does the winning coach tell his/her players no more goals - 4th? 7th? 10th?....
4) Or maybe no more shots after what the 30th? 40th? 70th?....
5) Or does telling your players to just play catch embarrass the other team more than if you just played the game?
6) What if the winning teams next game is against the league leader? Does putting the clamps on everything you have taught, have a negative affect on your players for that next game?
It is easy to look down your noses on lopsided scores. (I guess we should all feel really really sorry for the Arizona Cardinals who got shellacked 45-14 by New Orleans today.) But hey, the brown stuff hits the fan every once in a while and if you don't like the smell don't play. (There are always club teams or rec leagues.) I'm old enough to remember the old ABC Sports adds about the "Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat". (Remember the guy who tripped off the end of the ski jump? He didn't quit, he jumped again.) Every once in awhile the severe underdog enjoys that "Thrill of Victory" (anyone remember "Miracle on Ice"), mostly not but there is always the "Thrill of Competition" - and what is competition if the other team is told not to compete because they may hurt your feelings. Sometimes in defeat there is agony, but from that agony - character can be built. That is unless the whiners of the world want to make everyone equal -- or least least within one or two goals anyway!!!!
Say What? It never amazes me how much I learn here on the Fan Forum. Here I thought Finlandia was a Norwegian University.
But then again, let's cut Finlandia a little slack here! They just went throught the tough part of their schedule and now get to the cream puffs. Look for them to post the best record in their programs history. And a few questions for you sports PC fanatics out their. In a game in which the score "might" get totally out of hand, or a game where one team is hands down superior talentwise to another, or a game in which every bounce goes against a team, or a game in which a team appears to be playing a blind goalie, what should happen???
1) Does the talent deficient team just forfeit.
2) Does the losing coach throw in the towel and if so after which goal is scored - 4th? 7th? 10th?.....
3) When does the winning coach tell his/her players no more goals - 4th? 7th? 10th?....
4) Or maybe no more shots after what the 30th? 40th? 70th?....
5) Or does telling your players to just play catch embarrass the other team more than if you just played the game?
6) What if the winning teams next game is against the league leader? Does putting the clamps on everything you have taught, have a negative affect on your players for that next game?
It is easy to look down your noses on lopsided scores. (I guess we should all feel really really sorry for the Arizona Cardinals who got shellacked 45-14 by New Orleans today.) But hey, the brown stuff hits the fan every once in a while and if you don't like the smell don't play. (There are always club teams or rec leagues.) I'm old enough to remember the old ABC Sports adds about the "Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat". (Remember the guy who tripped off the end of the ski jump? He didn't quit, he jumped again.) Every once in awhile the severe underdog enjoys that "Thrill of Victory" (anyone remember "Miracle on Ice"), mostly not but there is always the "Thrill of Competition" - and what is competition if the other team is told not to compete because they may hurt your feelings. Sometimes in defeat there is agony, but from that agony - character can be built. That is unless the whiners of the world want to make everyone equal -- or least least within one or two goals anyway!!!!
gojackets
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
Welcome back...do u only come back to harass me. Not sure where you got confused by my statement. If I guess right, i did not mean Finlandia was a state school, but that before Adrian it was the only D3 hockey schoool for those ladies that wanted to stay in Michigan.
Nice to see some humor from you regarding Finlandia's remaining "cream puff" schedule!
Say What? It never amazes me how much I learn here on the Fan Forum. Here I thought Finlandia was a Norwegian University.
Welcome back...do u only come back to harass me. Not sure where you got confused by my statement. If I guess right, i did not mean Finlandia was a state school, but that before Adrian it was the only D3 hockey schoool for those ladies that wanted to stay in Michigan.
Nice to see some humor from you regarding Finlandia's remaining "cream puff" schedule!
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upstatehockey
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
This is PSU's 4th year varsity. I think, even with the new rink, it will be an uphill battle for them, but I think there is potential. It seems like the programs with a lot of support from the schools themselves have the best shot (look at the Norwich program- started the same year as Plymouth!). A rink is a good start, but it is tough to be competitve as a part time head coach, with only part time staff, and what seems to be little support from the administration.
This is PSU's 4th year varsity. I think, even with the new rink, it will be an uphill battle for them, but I think there is potential. It seems like the programs with a lot of support from the schools themselves have the best shot (look at the Norwich program- started the same year as Plymouth!). A rink is a good start, but it is tough to be competitve as a part time head coach, with only part time staff, and what seems to be little support from the administration.
creasemonkey
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
You hit the nail on the head. The school has to make an investment in the program - and that takes more than simply a rink.
You hit the nail on the head. The school has to make an investment in the program - and that takes more than simply a rink.
gojackets
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
See Superior has class because they let up and only beat St. Bens 5-0, 2-0. They didn't want the all mighty to smite them for beating up on one of his/her/its teams.
See Superior has class because they let up and only beat St. Bens 5-0, 2-0. They didn't want the all mighty to smite them for beating up on one of his/her/its teams.
CanHockGuy
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Re: D3 Decisions: Running up the score
Every time this topic comes up I always hear comments that concern and protect the team that is running up the score! Can you say selfish! No good can come from running up the score for any of the teams. Please don't compare hockey with other sports, apples and oranges. Playing catch is silly. Work on your breakout, your neutral zone dump with frequent changes, and neutral zone defensive tactics. You'll be better prepared for that hot team you're playing next week. Keep the clock running!!!
Every time this topic comes up I always hear comments that concern and protect the team that is running up the score! Can you say selfish! No good can come from running up the score for any of the teams. Please don't compare hockey with other sports, apples and oranges. Playing catch is silly. Work on your breakout, your neutral zone dump with frequent changes, and neutral zone defensive tactics. You'll be better prepared for that hot team you're playing next week. Keep the clock running!!!