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Covid 2023

More info. My hospital system (14 hospitals, literally hundreds of outpatient clinics) is not mandating mask use yet but likely will if things don't improve or level off. Testing positivity rate is now up over 10% for the first time in longer than I can remember. Hospital census's are up as well, which is the lagging indicator we hoped to avoid.


But yeah. Just nonsense, right?

Anecdotally, it's spreading like wildfire amongst friends even in different circles. Yep families in the last three days. Another half dozen over the past week.

between school and the state fair and everything else, it's moving again.

we're going to be heading to a wedding in Detroit this week. We've been masking the past week to help avoid covid or any other bugs. We're also planning on masking on the flight and in the airport.
 
I had my annual check up about two weeks ago. My doctor, who is also a personal friend of mine, also works as one of the instructors at the Mayo Clinic. He and I were BSing after he was done poking and prodding me, and he told me that one of his patients is Mayo's chief doctor in charge of covid. He said that doctor had also just been in for an annual check up with him and they got to talking about covid.

She told him this year's version was going to be "lethal," according to my doctor. My doctor told me to not get a vaccine until very, very late fall, or early winter, even though people are pushing boosters now. He said the vaccines we've already gotten are going to be completely ineffective against what we will see this winter. But he also related that she said the new vaccines they will be coming out with this winter are going to work great. However, Mayo is bracing for a bad winter due to vaccine fatigue, the feeling that people will have that they've already had four or five shots so they should be good, and the fact that the old vaccines will be worthless against the coming strain.

Take that for what it's worth.

Going back to this post for a minute. I'm curious if your doc said to wait until late fall, early winter because he didn't expect the updated boosters out until then or just a general timing thing. From a few posts ago it sounds like next week will be the rollout.

Is the "wait" advice still applicable do you think? Anyone else also care to chime in?

My $0.03. The protection is robust for at least a month or two and then gradually less so after that. Ideally overlapping with as many protection-case-days (effectiveness*cases/day*days) as possible. In my head that's November/December. So maybe that means wait a month?
 
It seems as though you get about 3-4 months of solid prophylactic protection post vaccination or infection for Covid, and seemingly years of severity-reduction after that. Which is good! It would be better if the prophylactic protection was longer, but considering this is one of the 3-5 most contagious diseases in human history, that isn't surprising.

Similar with flu, although influenza, I think, mutates far more easily and thus evades immunity easier.


All in all, I think a combination of "new booster available late September" plus timing the 3-4 months of prophylactic immunity over the worst time for communicable diseases (winter, in most of the US), suggests that both availability and effectivity are reasons to wait a bit.

If you go get vaccinated now, great. Whatever. Do it. The current booster is excellent. But if you want maximum efficacy and timeline, then wait until October. Personally, I'm waiting for mid-late October.
 
I'm 100% waiting for the updated booster. Just not sure on 9/18, 10/1, or 10/18. I suspect I'm worrying about something that doesn't really matter in the end.
 
I'm 100% waiting for the updated booster. Just not sure on 9/18, 10/1, or 10/18. I suspect I'm worrying about something that doesn't really matter in the end.

Yeah I don't think it will be available for 9/18, as it was only approved by the FDA today and I'm not sure when the CDC plans to meet. I think mid-October would be safest but no real idea.
 
Yeah I don't think it will be available for 9/18, as it was only approved by the FDA today and I'm not sure when the CDC plans to meet. I think mid-October would be safest but no real idea.

You do know that this is hysterical to read, yes? Timing a window of when to take a vaccine for maximum effectiveness? 3-4 months of solid prophylactic protection? Do I take it now, or mid-october or late october?

Then it is - "The current booster is excellent." - But Just approved today? So what is it, the marketing brochure touted excellent results?

Is it possible for a hypochondriac make up their mind? Then maybe Nov 2nd would be better because it is a Thursday.
 

Oh this is so exciting! It is like getting baptized again! I would like one in each arm if they let me.

I love the FDA, they care about me so much. I was worried this might not get approved with their track record of holding pharmaceutical companies accountable and their rigorous review process. And so amazing the Quackccine companies run their own safety protocols, I can't imagine a better way to do it.

I don't even care if the Quackccine keeps me from developing cold symptoms. I love my new cult.

And this is definitely the Winter of death. If you don't take the Quackccine you deserve to die.
 
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This does not exactly paint a rosy picture of the FDA's recent activities ...

https://justthenews.com/government/...-one-size-fits-all-covid-booster-strategy-fda

"Weill Cornell Medical College immunologist John Moore told Just the News in Monday, before the FDA announcement, that he favored making boosters available for younger people — with their doctors' approval — primarily for the "mental well being" of those who "have angst about not getting a regular vaccine boost."

While boosting them provides "possible (and hard to quantify) benefits" to protect their "older, at risk colleagues/relatives," Moore wrote in an email, it does not pose "significant health risks" to young people at low risk from COVID, "a line the anti-vaxxers take and thrive on."

Last month the Department of Health and Human Services awarded more than $1.4 billion to develop new COVID vaccines and therapeutics despite CDC data showing just 1 in 6 Americans, and fewer than half of those over 65, are "up to date" with COVID vaccinations
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Jesus, the "sources" you find are something else. Looking at Moore's history is that of a cautious proponent of vaccines, but the caution comes in the form of "but they aren't fool proof so don't think of them as some magic bullet". Which, of course, has been brutalized out of context by the covidiots into meaning "so you shouldn't get them".


The dishonesty is still staggering, despite how unsurprising it is.
 
Jesus, the "sources" you find are something else. Looking at Moore's history is that of a cautious proponent of vaccines, but the caution comes in the form of "but they aren't fool proof so don't think of them as some magic bullet". Which, of course, has been brutalized out of context by the covidiots into meaning "so you shouldn't get them".


The dishonesty is still staggering, despite how unsurprising it is.

Great response. Attack the source to end any sort of conversation. Such a good little Fascist, keep up the good work Brown Shirt.

LMFAO, they are still using the Emergency Use Authorization.

Very valid points of discussion:

“researchers voiced concerns to mainstream science and health publications in recent days that the one-size-fits-all model may be backfiring.

Such experts also questioned whether updated jabs, based on receding Omicron subvariants, will meaningfully benefit Americans outside narrow ranges, if at all.”


“Dr. Paul Offit, a pediatrician, vaccine and infectious diseases expert, and vaccine adviser to the Food and Drug Administration, said most healthy young Americans do not require an additional COVID-19 booster shot.”

According to Offit, the updated boosters from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna are probably best reserved for people at high risk of severe illness or death from COVID-19: older adults, people with multiple coexisting conditions, and the immunocompromised.

"Specifically, those over 75 years of age, those who have health problems that put them at highest risk of severe disease (such as obesity, chronic lung disease, chronic heart disease, and diabetes, among others) [and] those who are immune-compromised, and those who are pregnant" are the people who need the booster, he advised, as reported by the Daily Mail.”


lmfao
https://x.com/martymakary/status/1700741474248274134?s=46&t=upVg0Js-mrW4iah6iccUyA
 
"Never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake."

As long as we are all vaccinated, let them do what they want for freedumb. Virology will take care of the rest.

Remember: homeschooling gives us our strippers. Pro-life means an unending supply of exploitable teens.
 
Remember: homeschooling gives us our strippers. Pro-life means an unending supply of exploitable teens.

So all Democrats only go to the best schools (private ones, as they are the only ones who can afford them, supposedly) so they can be super intelligent like the mensa crowd on here? So what school did Susanna Gibson go to? Cornell like Kep? Small ivy or superior state univs? An interesting method for raising campaign funds, ya think? Maybe she was Homeschooled?


https://nypost.com/2023/09/11/house-candidate-susanna-gibson-performed-sex-acts-on-webcam-for-tips/

 
"Never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake."

As long as we are all vaccinated, let them do what they want for freedumb. Virology will take care of the rest.

Pretty much this. If you choose to believe in conspiracies rather than get vaccinated, then IDGAF anymore. Go own those libs, bro!

It sucks for the tiny percentage of people who legit can't be vaccinated because of other medical conditions, but the vast majority of otherwise healthy society isn't beholden to cater to them. They need to take steps to look out for themselves, just as they usually do.
 
Pretty much this. If you choose to believe in conspiracies rather than get vaccinated, then IDGAF anymore. Go own those libs, bro!

It sucks for the tiny percentage of people who legit can't be vaccinated because of other medical conditions, but the vast majority of otherwise healthy society isn't beholden to cater to them. They need to take steps to look out for themselves, just as they usually do.

Go own the libs? LMFAO, Statism is a cult.

Conspiracy? LMFAO

It is literally cold symptoms for anyone that is remotely healthy. And the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic. Feel free to take an endless supply of shots that have proven to be next to worthless.
 
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