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COVID-19 - Part 2
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Good for you getting out there great idea! I know Regional weekend is my fav too...sigh.
HockeyRef
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Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Heroes, that's what those on the front lines who are working 16 hr. shifts in hospitals around the world are. Heroes, you health care workers putting your own life on the line. No better word for you. Worldwide, some 51 doctors have died from this. Not to mention others I hear about every single day. I don't care how big the numbers are, if they don't matchup with car accidents, the flue, or whatever. This is bad. Otherwise healthy people struggling; many not making it. Still, you are heroes. Thank you. Take time to listen to some Bowie; he always got it right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYp9q3QNaQ
Heroes, that's what those on the front lines who are working 16 hr. shifts in hospitals around the world are. Heroes, you health care workers putting your own life on the line. No better word for you. Worldwide, some 51 doctors have died from this. Not to mention others I hear about every single day. I don't care how big the numbers are, if they don't matchup with car accidents, the flue, or whatever. This is bad. Otherwise healthy people struggling; many not making it. Still, you are heroes. Thank you. Take time to listen to some Bowie; he always got it right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYp9q3QNaQ
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
"If earth is 4 billion years old and you have co-existed with David Bowie, listening to his songs , you can consider yourself a lottery jackpot winner."
Love this comment about Bowie, I'd say it about Steely Dan or the Allman Brothers but.....
"If earth is 4 billion years old and you have co-existed with David Bowie, listening to his songs , you can consider yourself a lottery jackpot winner."
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Should the Chinese Communist Party be held accountable for the suppression of data and forced secrecy of healthcare officials in the handling of CoV-19 resulting in the global escalation their "Biological Chernobyl"? What are the ramifications?
Senate Resolution 553
Should the Chinese Communist Party be held accountable for the suppression of data and forced secrecy of healthcare officials in the handling of CoV-19 resulting in the global escalation their "Biological Chernobyl"? What are the ramifications?
Senate Resolution 553
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
This is truly a poor equation, as those infected can still croak.
Whynt compare dead/cured? These are the only two “final” conclusions
NCAA watcher
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Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Even when we knew the truth we took no action for two months and "supressed the data" in the US. If we want to point blame, I suppose we also should point fingers at those who disabled our response capabilities and then, claimed no action was needed in the US. Was Hawley not able to work "blame the New Yorkers" in to the resolution, too? That seems like DeSantis and Trump's go to now.
I take your post that you support this full examination of blame, right?
Even when we knew the truth we took no action for two months and "supressed the data" in the US. If we want to point blame, I suppose we also should point fingers at those who disabled our response capabilities and then, claimed no action was needed in the US. Was Hawley not able to work "blame the New Yorkers" in to the resolution, too? That seems like DeSantis and Trump's go to now.
I take your post that you support this full examination of blame, right?
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aparch
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This is truly a poor equation, as those infected can still croak.
Whynt compare dead/cured? These are the only two “final” conclusions
Per John Hopkins at 7:48AP CDT. US Cases:
124,686 confirmed cases
2,191 Dead; 2,612 recovered
Using Mookie's math, one has a 50/50 shot of dying from this in the US.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Yes, let's have a discussion. For the last 4 years now, since he was a candidate, President Trump has been warning everyone who would listen that China - NOT Russia - was our most prominent ideological enemy. TO THIS DAY, there are large swathes of the MSM (and even s few USCHO posters) who rise in almost Pavlovian unison to China's defense. Many of those same folks instead tried to float the blatantly false "Russia Russia Russia" narrative for three (3) years, and after microscopic inspection by literally a dozen-plus of the President's loudest detractors, the Mueller thing crashed and burned into the nothingness it always was. Then, when more modest and humbled opposition should have pivoted to do something like infrastructure for the common good of the country … instead the Dems and the MSM (again, I apologize for repeating myself) pivoted to the next garbage attempt at a soft coup with the Ukraine thing, which served not only to protect the Bidens' insanely corrupt involvement in that country, but tried to use the purported delay in providing aid to said same country - aid which BTW had been denied by Obama/Biden which provided blankets and food instead - to impeach the President. That didn't work either.
But it had EVERYONE's focus right though early February (2/5/20), in part because of the Speaker's delay tactics to extend the process and try to come up with more crap to support their faux and ever-changing "strategy" (spelled R-E-S-I-S-T), which had changed not one single iota from literally 20 minutes after President Trump was inaugurated, right up through the aftermath of Trump's acquittal. Nevertheless, despite the stupidity literally the entire Congress and most of the MSM was fixated on, Trump entered an order banning travel to/from China on January 31st - yes, while exactly no one else was calling for it - and was then accused of being a "racist" and as a "xenophobe" for his early action. The action did more than any single action to date to curb the virus' impact in the USA.
It's important to note that even in mid-February, there were no real signs of the pandemic emerging as a real force beyond the borders of Communist China. Here is a link to a helpful timeline which provides an informative look-see at how things played out in Italy. I think it's fair to say, it was only when the issues in Italy began to emerge full-scale - again, three (3) full weeks after Trump's then-criticized travel ban on China - that folks realized this could become a real problem well beyond China.
https://www.timetoast.com/timelines/covid-19-in-italy
Picking back up after the <s>latest soft coup attempt</s> impeachment farce ended … while lots of folks were stuck on their latest outbreak of name-calling against the President, the US primary election/caucus season was finally underway. The MSM pivoted to the Dem craziness in Iowa (flunking Math 101, remember? Seems so long ago) and then the series of primaries that followed, and finally over to Super Tuesday (which I believe was on 3/3/20?) and the admittedly fascinating machinations that saw a previously crowded Dem field surprisingly and quickly narrow to overtly try to push Biden back to relevancy at the expense of Bernie Sanders (it worked BTW). There was another slate of elections the following Tuesday (3/10/20).
March 10th was a big day in the COVID-19 tale. On that evening, the NBA first shut down for business when one of its players tested positive. I think it was also the evening when the MSM carried news that Tom Hanks and his wife were testing positive in Australia. Yet, on that very morning, communist NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio was literally downplaying the impact of COVID-19 on national TV to his constituents and beyond. Here's the link …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWQywIuhhA
Even our dear neighbors from Canada didn't BAN travel to/from China until very recently. I believe PM Trudeau's wife tested positive for COVID-19 earlier this month. An ADVISORY was in place, which as the following article demonstrates, was hardly stopping most airlines from conducting "business as usual" … even when the business involved China.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6546569/china-coronavirus-flights-canada/
Even the oft-lauded Governor Cuomo was knocked down a little bit off his self-righteous pedestal when he had to admit the other day that his state had full access to a stockpile of thousands of ventilators, despite previous messaging that his state was tapped out. Perhaps the biggest idiot of all is the Mayor of New Orleans, who apparently thought President Trump is psychic, and should have told her to cancel Mardi Gras (2/25/20) - see the Italy timeline above for context - two (2) full weeks before her fellow Mayor DeBlasio was STILL telling anyone who would listen that everything was hunky-dory.
++++++++++
Listen … hindsight is 20/20 and clearly, if everyone's leaders knew then what everyone knows now, response to what has been a unique situation could have been FAR different. By lots of people - both here in the US, and well beyond to numerous countries, cities, hospitals, etc. Personally, it is no secret by now that I downplayed the situation initially. Sometimes that happens, and you learn and you live (hopefully). Fault by degrees on how our President, our governors, and/or our mayors is up for debate. Contrary to the prevailing theme in too many corners of the MSM - who until very recently were creating stupid (and harmful) "Fauci Hates Trump" or "Trump Is Jealous Of Fauci" narratives … the American people seem to grasp the unique nature of the situation, and support the President at levels they've not previously supported him.
Things may change, new facts may emerge, which change apportionment issues we debate on here.
But the one constant in ALL of this - everything - is that the virus started in China. And given the opportunity to act like a true member of the community of nations they regularly steal from, and then sell stuff to using stolen intellectual property, they did nothing, other than try to cover it all up, suppress key information/data, and virtually executed those who stood in resistance.
There is a long way to go to get us through this crisis first … but none of us should ever forget where this started, and who is to blame for what we're left with. CHINA. That's a cold, hard FACT.
Yes, let's have a discussion. For the last 4 years now, since he was a candidate, President Trump has been warning everyone who would listen that China - NOT Russia - was our most prominent ideological enemy. TO THIS DAY, there are large swathes of the MSM (and even s few USCHO posters) who rise in almost Pavlovian unison to China's defense. Many of those same folks instead tried to float the blatantly false "Russia Russia Russia" narrative for three (3) years, and after microscopic inspection by literally a dozen-plus of the President's loudest detractors, the Mueller thing crashed and burned into the nothingness it always was. Then, when more modest and humbled opposition should have pivoted to do something like infrastructure for the common good of the country … instead the Dems and the MSM (again, I apologize for repeating myself) pivoted to the next garbage attempt at a soft coup with the Ukraine thing, which served not only to protect the Bidens' insanely corrupt involvement in that country, but tried to use the purported delay in providing aid to said same country - aid which BTW had been denied by Obama/Biden which provided blankets and food instead - to impeach the President. That didn't work either.
But it had EVERYONE's focus right though early February (2/5/20), in part because of the Speaker's delay tactics to extend the process and try to come up with more crap to support their faux and ever-changing "strategy" (spelled R-E-S-I-S-T), which had changed not one single iota from literally 20 minutes after President Trump was inaugurated, right up through the aftermath of Trump's acquittal. Nevertheless, despite the stupidity literally the entire Congress and most of the MSM was fixated on, Trump entered an order banning travel to/from China on January 31st - yes, while exactly no one else was calling for it - and was then accused of being a "racist" and as a "xenophobe" for his early action. The action did more than any single action to date to curb the virus' impact in the USA.
It's important to note that even in mid-February, there were no real signs of the pandemic emerging as a real force beyond the borders of Communist China. Here is a link to a helpful timeline which provides an informative look-see at how things played out in Italy. I think it's fair to say, it was only when the issues in Italy began to emerge full-scale - again, three (3) full weeks after Trump's then-criticized travel ban on China - that folks realized this could become a real problem well beyond China.
https://www.timetoast.com/timelines/covid-19-in-italy
Picking back up after the <s>latest soft coup attempt</s> impeachment farce ended … while lots of folks were stuck on their latest outbreak of name-calling against the President, the US primary election/caucus season was finally underway. The MSM pivoted to the Dem craziness in Iowa (flunking Math 101, remember? Seems so long ago) and then the series of primaries that followed, and finally over to Super Tuesday (which I believe was on 3/3/20?) and the admittedly fascinating machinations that saw a previously crowded Dem field surprisingly and quickly narrow to overtly try to push Biden back to relevancy at the expense of Bernie Sanders (it worked BTW). There was another slate of elections the following Tuesday (3/10/20).
March 10th was a big day in the COVID-19 tale. On that evening, the NBA first shut down for business when one of its players tested positive. I think it was also the evening when the MSM carried news that Tom Hanks and his wife were testing positive in Australia. Yet, on that very morning, communist NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio was literally downplaying the impact of COVID-19 on national TV to his constituents and beyond. Here's the link …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWQywIuhhA
Even our dear neighbors from Canada didn't BAN travel to/from China until very recently. I believe PM Trudeau's wife tested positive for COVID-19 earlier this month. An ADVISORY was in place, which as the following article demonstrates, was hardly stopping most airlines from conducting "business as usual" … even when the business involved China.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6546569/china-coronavirus-flights-canada/
Even the oft-lauded Governor Cuomo was knocked down a little bit off his self-righteous pedestal when he had to admit the other day that his state had full access to a stockpile of thousands of ventilators, despite previous messaging that his state was tapped out. Perhaps the biggest idiot of all is the Mayor of New Orleans, who apparently thought President Trump is psychic, and should have told her to cancel Mardi Gras (2/25/20) - see the Italy timeline above for context - two (2) full weeks before her fellow Mayor DeBlasio was STILL telling anyone who would listen that everything was hunky-dory.
++++++++++
Listen … hindsight is 20/20 and clearly, if everyone's leaders knew then what everyone knows now, response to what has been a unique situation could have been FAR different. By lots of people - both here in the US, and well beyond to numerous countries, cities, hospitals, etc. Personally, it is no secret by now that I downplayed the situation initially. Sometimes that happens, and you learn and you live (hopefully). Fault by degrees on how our President, our governors, and/or our mayors is up for debate. Contrary to the prevailing theme in too many corners of the MSM - who until very recently were creating stupid (and harmful) "Fauci Hates Trump" or "Trump Is Jealous Of Fauci" narratives … the American people seem to grasp the unique nature of the situation, and support the President at levels they've not previously supported him.
Things may change, new facts may emerge, which change apportionment issues we debate on here.
But the one constant in ALL of this - everything - is that the virus started in China. And given the opportunity to act like a true member of the community of nations they regularly steal from, and then sell stuff to using stolen intellectual property, they did nothing, other than try to cover it all up, suppress key information/data, and virtually executed those who stood in resistance.
There is a long way to go to get us through this crisis first … but none of us should ever forget where this started, and who is to blame for what we're left with. CHINA. That's a cold, hard FACT.
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Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
If this was the stock market I would be buying shares of confirmed cases and loading up on recovered. The number of dead will increase (no doubt) but the other categories will fuel a bull market in statistics faster.
If this was the stock market I would be buying shares of confirmed cases and loading up on recovered. The number of dead will increase (no doubt) but the other categories will fuel a bull market in statistics faster.
Darius
Go 'cats!
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
3/25 - 3/27 - mortality in the 1.4% - 1.5% range.
3/28 - 1.6%.
Today - 1.76%.
The recovered numbers were almost negligible, but are now increasing.
Since the beginning, health experts have preached social distancing and more testing. Current testing is skewed towards the sick so the test results are essentially:
1. Sick with Covid-19
2. Sick with something else
Dr. Fauci spoke last night about the need to do LOTS more testing, inferring that we don't have the data we need until we sample the slightly ill and those not showing signs of illness. I'd like to think that if we could magically test every US citizen, the infection rate would rise, the mortality rate plummet. The increasing mortality rate indicates we are not yet testing enough and not yet seeing the benefit of social distancing.
3/25 - 3/27 - mortality in the 1.4% - 1.5% range.
3/28 - 1.6%.
Today - 1.76%.
The recovered numbers were almost negligible, but are now increasing.
Since the beginning, health experts have preached social distancing and more testing. Current testing is skewed towards the sick so the test results are essentially:
1. Sick with Covid-19
2. Sick with something else
Dr. Fauci spoke last night about the need to do LOTS more testing, inferring that we don't have the data we need until we sample the slightly ill and those not showing signs of illness. I'd like to think that if we could magically test every US citizen, the infection rate would rise, the mortality rate plummet. The increasing mortality rate indicates we are not yet testing enough and not yet seeing the benefit of social distancing.
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Darius
Go 'cats!
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Dean Kamen's company is fighting the coronavirus on many fronts:
https://www.unionleader.com/news/he...2-5f7b-9a7e-b53d51bb5937.html?block_id=883785
... his employees in China who had found a manufacturer there that could make medical masks, gowns and other supplies... pallet of medical items is expected to arrive in Manchester from China on Sunday...
“It’s discouraging for me to see that at a time like this, there are some people that are trying to inappropriately benefit from what’s going on. I’m just proud that everybody at DEKA seems to be totally focused on: How can we do more, do it more quickly, and help people?
“They know how much the world, and certainly the state and the country, are depending on us.”
Kamen hopes the crisis will remind people of what’s really important “and that we should be investing in long-term solutions.”
As a child, when he read the story of the three little pigs, Kamen said, “I always wanted to be the one that built the brick house.”
Now, he said, “I have a whole Millyard full of brick buildings.
“I’ve just always believed you’re better off preparing for the future than trying to react in a crisis.”
Dean Kamen's company is fighting the coronavirus on many fronts:
https://www.unionleader.com/news/he...2-5f7b-9a7e-b53d51bb5937.html?block_id=883785
... his employees in China who had found a manufacturer there that could make medical masks, gowns and other supplies... pallet of medical items is expected to arrive in Manchester from China on Sunday...
“It’s discouraging for me to see that at a time like this, there are some people that are trying to inappropriately benefit from what’s going on. I’m just proud that everybody at DEKA seems to be totally focused on: How can we do more, do it more quickly, and help people?
“They know how much the world, and certainly the state and the country, are depending on us.”
Kamen hopes the crisis will remind people of what’s really important “and that we should be investing in long-term solutions.”
As a child, when he read the story of the three little pigs, Kamen said, “I always wanted to be the one that built the brick house.”
Now, he said, “I have a whole Millyard full of brick buildings.
“I’ve just always believed you’re better off preparing for the future than trying to react in a crisis.”
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Big fan of Dean Kamen - even if Segway doesn't catch on until DK has left us better than he found us.
Big fan of Dean Kamen - even if Segway doesn't catch on until DK has left us better than he found us.
Darius
Go 'cats!
HockeyRef
Well-known member
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Well exactly on point. Speaking of that, near me there is a small climb called "Mt. Major" and it's been PACKED with cars every single weekend...even more so now. The summit and the climb itself, esp with large crowds, can be quite 'crowded'. LOts of complaints on facebook pages about this (and eek, so many MA and New York cars in that parking lot
) Today NH gov Sununu asked that if you are coming up to stay from these states for a prolonged period of time to self q...good luck with that?
Anyway...on your Dean K post, my husband is the head of our high school USFirst Robotics team, so I've been fortunate to have toured his home over the years as he opens it up for mentors right before 'build season'. Interesting guy, and nice to see him jump in. Hopefully we won't need extra space for the sick, but, if people don't adhere to the SD edicts (yeah, even those hikers as mentioned above) who knows?
Well exactly on point. Speaking of that, near me there is a small climb called "Mt. Major" and it's been PACKED with cars every single weekend...even more so now. The summit and the climb itself, esp with large crowds, can be quite 'crowded'. LOts of complaints on facebook pages about this (and eek, so many MA and New York cars in that parking lot
) Today NH gov Sununu asked that if you are coming up to stay from these states for a prolonged period of time to self q...good luck with that? Anyway...on your Dean K post, my husband is the head of our high school USFirst Robotics team, so I've been fortunate to have toured his home over the years as he opens it up for mentors right before 'build season'. Interesting guy, and nice to see him jump in. Hopefully we won't need extra space for the sick, but, if people don't adhere to the SD edicts (yeah, even those hikers as mentioned above) who knows?
HockeyRef
Well-known member
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Chuck, he's quite the guy; having heard him speak many times at US First Robotics gigs (and at his home as mentioned). He's got tons of portraits of himself, and, 'wicked smart' guys like Einstein he's painted himself throughout his home. Not every day you walk into someone's house and they have a massive steam engine in the foyer...
He has this massive hanger for his helis attached to his home; that's where the receptions are held. He invites some of his "close friends" namely, the US dept of patents, one year Henry K was there (not kidding), and of course, many of MY PERSONAL faves like Senator Jeanne Shaheen (whom I've spoken to teacher to teacher at these events) Eccentric as heck, he's a great visionary.
Speaking of segway...hubby and I took at trip to Gettysburg a few years back (have been back since) and we did a segway tour of the battlefield. It was in April so there was just us and the tour guide...amazing to see it from that vantage point; highly recommended if you want a unique experience with the segway.
Chuck, he's quite the guy; having heard him speak many times at US First Robotics gigs (and at his home as mentioned). He's got tons of portraits of himself, and, 'wicked smart' guys like Einstein he's painted himself throughout his home. Not every day you walk into someone's house and they have a massive steam engine in the foyer...
He has this massive hanger for his helis attached to his home; that's where the receptions are held. He invites some of his "close friends" namely, the US dept of patents, one year Henry K was there (not kidding), and of course, many of MY PERSONAL faves like Senator Jeanne Shaheen (whom I've spoken to teacher to teacher at these events) Eccentric as heck, he's a great visionary. Speaking of segway...hubby and I took at trip to Gettysburg a few years back (have been back since) and we did a segway tour of the battlefield. It was in April so there was just us and the tour guide...amazing to see it from that vantage point; highly recommended if you want a unique experience with the segway.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ott-labs-fast-portable-covid-test/2932766001/ Probably take forever to roll it out but
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
Supplement to Post #269 on the issue of apportioning blame … let's not forget the WHO, who seem determined to continue to act as lapdogs for the Communist Chinese, even now …
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethb...-a-reporter-for-asking-about-taiwan-n2565899?
Taiwanese health officials alerted WHO about the Wuhan coronavirus' transmission between humans back in December but the organization failed to alert countries around the world.
And, on top of it all, China was generous enough to send faulty Wuhan coronavirus testing kits to the Czech Republic. Out of the hundreds of thousands of tests that were administered, roughly 80 percent provided inaccurate results.
The WHO dug their public relations crisis even deeper into the ground when Bruce Alyward, the Senior Advisor to Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, refused to talk about Taiwan during an interview with RTHK. In fact, Alyward pretended the Skype call froze. Then he said he wanted to move on to a different question since China had already been discussed. When the reporter pressed him about Taiwan again, he hung up the call.
Makes you wonder why the embedded video hasn't gotten wider distribution ...
Supplement to Post #269 on the issue of apportioning blame … let's not forget the WHO, who seem determined to continue to act as lapdogs for the Communist Chinese, even now …
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethb...-a-reporter-for-asking-about-taiwan-n2565899?
Taiwanese health officials alerted WHO about the Wuhan coronavirus' transmission between humans back in December but the organization failed to alert countries around the world.
And, on top of it all, China was generous enough to send faulty Wuhan coronavirus testing kits to the Czech Republic. Out of the hundreds of thousands of tests that were administered, roughly 80 percent provided inaccurate results.
The WHO dug their public relations crisis even deeper into the ground when Bruce Alyward, the Senior Advisor to Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, refused to talk about Taiwan during an interview with RTHK. In fact, Alyward pretended the Skype call froze. Then he said he wanted to move on to a different question since China had already been discussed. When the reporter pressed him about Taiwan again, he hung up the call.
Makes you wonder why the embedded video hasn't gotten wider distribution ...
HockeyRef
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Re: COVID-19 - Part 2
It's the only way, unless people totally guy in 100% on social distancing. Hoping that rapid test I'm hearing about can be put out and utilized. Separate the infected...high risk individuals...a tall order but, if we want to really get through this sooner than later, I honestly don't know how? Gee, you and I agree on something here Chuck...
Correct and correct.
It's the only way, unless people totally guy in 100% on social distancing. Hoping that rapid test I'm hearing about can be put out and utilized. Separate the infected...high risk individuals...a tall order but, if we want to really get through this sooner than later, I honestly don't know how? Gee, you and I agree on something here Chuck...
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