Covfefe-19: We Can Handle Slight Inconveniences. Part 8.

[The Rube]

Re: Covfefe-19: We Can Handle Slight Inconveniences. Part 8.

Can't watch YouTube at work.

Did Trump get coronavirus or something?

It explains the rules during the pandemic. It's friggin' genius. Kudos to the woman who did this.
"It will only stop infecting people if enough people get infected, but don't get infected."

 

[aparch]

Bill Gates’s vision for life beyond the coronavirus

Except it is a political thing, because virtually every person who tends to vote for democratic candidates or considers themselves to be center or left of center BELIEVES the science. But if you are voting for republicans, you no longer believe in science. None of this should be political, but the vast number of idiots in this country have made it 100% political.

A couple doctors on CNBC this morning reiterated similar points. One stated the following:
[Paraphrased]
Trump sees himself as a war time president. World War II, the US was able to mobilize itself and kill the threat. Similar story for similar wars. There is a bit of gut feeling, and guessing at what the opponent will do.

Mother nature is science based. It's chemistry and physics. And to defeat something based on science, you cannot use gut instinct, or mobilizing the whole nation against one bad thing like in the past. You need to fight science with science.

Because if you don't respect Mother Nature and the science behind this, she will kill you or the ones you love.

 

[Handyman]

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Cruised past a million cases...

 

[SJHovey]

One common thread among people who think we should be able to choose to go back to work or not is that they seem to think that it's just a personal risk they are taking by exposing themselves. (ignoring the whole Tom Sawyer thread of it being an honor to work for someone else, making them money....)

But we, as a society, constantly let people take personal risks. That's never, ever, been the issue.

The issue are the people who are not choosing to take a risk, because they don't know there is a risk. This isn't an individual who decides to drive drunk, and runs into a car, killing 4. This is an individual who infects 4, who then infect 16, 256..... (I don't know the actual data- just choosing 4) So instead of killing 4 due to a stupid decision, the number you kill can be a whole lot more.

It's interesting to hear people complain that this is some personal choice, when it's very much not one. This is totally a group choice. If you never interact with anyone else, then you can easily do your job. If you personally interact with other people, the branch reach out always needs to be considered. Seems like nobody wants to accept that this whole outbreak started with one person, and spreads because most people have no idea that they got infected, then all the people around them have no idea that they are at risk and perhaps even infected..... exponential growth.

This is the part that people like Brent (rube) just don't get. That it's a personal choice to take the risk or not, and that it's ok for others to spread things as long as he's safe.

One of the major problems with the total fear of the word socialism. And the want of "personal freedom" that is selfish over others- where it's ok to sacrifice people so that you can make money.

Anyway....

From the day you are born until the day you die, every time you come across another person you risk infecting them with something, and vice versa. It comes with being an organism capable of carrying viruses.

 

[rufus]

From the day you are born until the day you die, every time you come across another person you risk infecting them with something, and vice versa. It comes with being an organism capable of carrying viruses.

Still a putz.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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No end to stupidity in AZ

“ Kelli Ward, the head of the Republican Party in Arizona, told those planning to protest stay-at-home orders aimed at limiting the spread of COVID-19 to dress in scrubs and masks appearing to suggest it would trick the news media into thinking they were health care workers and alter their coverage. She also seemed to suggest that some health workers engaging in counterprotests across the country were not really health workers.”

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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Cruised past a million cases...

Did the millionth case get a prize? They should have.

 

[rufus]

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Hey, Dimwit Donnie has finally gotten around to developing a blueprint to ramp up testing capacity. About four months too late.

Not that I believe it will actually get followed through on.

 

[rufus]

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And, there's this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/ar-BB13hFnC?li=BBnb7Kz

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, according to current and former U.S. officials.

For weeks, the PDB — as the report is known — traced the virus’s spread around the globe, made clear that China was suppressing information about the contagion’s transmissibility and lethal toll, and raised the prospect of dire political and economic consequences.

 

[alfablue]

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From the day you are born until the day you die, every time you come across another person you risk infecting them with something, and vice versa. It comes with being an organism capable of carrying viruses.

Ok, go out, get sick, and spread this virus which is turning out to be one of the more deadly ones. At some point, you will see the math that it's different this time. Not sure why it's not obvious right now.

Do you honestly not see the difference between the annual flu and this still???

It's great that you don't give a crap about anyone around you- they have to live at the risk you choose. What a friend you must be.

 

[alfablue]

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And, there's this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/ar-BB13hFnC?li=BBnb7Kz

When you have people like jovey saying that this is just part of life, it's not wonder how this moron got elected, and people still follow him. Apparently, nothing we could do to minimize the impact on our society and economy....

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Ok, go out, get sick, and spread this virus which is turning out to be one of the more deadly ones. At some point, you will see the math that it's different this time. Not sure why it's not obvious right now.

Do you honestly not see the difference between the annual flu and this still???

It's great that you don't give a crap about anyone around you- they have to live at the risk you choose. What a friend you must be.

I’m sure his friends are equally selfish and ignorant of anyone else. Hey man, you could die of anything so who cares if you get this extremely contagious virus and pass it onto 9 others

Maybe he’s my neighbor. Someone on my block has a “get Minnesota back to work” yard sign

 

[rufus]

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When you have people like jovey saying that this is just part of life, it's not wonder how this moron got elected, and people still follow him. Apparently, nothing we could do to minimize the impact on our society and economy....

People are still gonna die, so why bother?

 

[SJHovey]

Ok, go out, get sick, and spread this virus which is turning out to be one of the more deadly ones. At some point, you will see the math that it's different this time. Not sure why it's not obvious right now.

Do you honestly not see the difference between the annual flu and this still???

It's great that you don't give a crap about anyone around you- they have to live at the risk you choose. What a friend you must be.

Every virus you carry has varying levels of contagion and risk of mortality. “Just the flu” might keep you out of work two days but be deadly to someone else. You may be a ticking time bomb to someone with severe immunodeficiency. I don’t look to cause anyone harm or cause them to become ill, but I understand that is a possibility just by virtue of being human.

 

[leswp1]

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Hold on there. I'm for opening businesses if they can open up SAFELY. The MN governor seems to agree. If an uptick happens, then dial it back to the previous level of shutdown.

I have stated, for example, that the MN State Fair should be cancelled because there is no way in hell that would be safe.

So that means you don't think anything should be opening because there are no areas of the US that are meeting the guidelines for what medical people think outlines what is necessary for safe opening.

'Went to' a Public Health presentation for Masters PH folks today about modeling and prediction of caseload, etc. The guy giving it was retired epidemiologist from the CDC who now teaches. Interesting. Discussed how the flatten the curve worked in terms of infectious spread, the variables involved and how relaxing even a few things caused exponential failure and increase of cases.

Take home- currently nowhere has the ability to say we should safely open but the citizenry is unable to be patient so they are opening things. They talked a lot about delay/lag between risky behaviour and time you would have measurable results to prove consequence of doing that. The RO/ R(t) rate of this disease with things opening gets worse and you will see a sawtooth distribution with multiple peaks, always chasing the proverbial tail. People don't have the fortitude to stick it out, things open, exponential spread occurs but by thte time you shut down is like starting over. You need to shut everything down again.

Heard something similar from an economist this morning. Best analogy- if you want to kill a plant you let it sprout and then clip it at the roots. Repeat. The more you do that the less chance it will survive. ie- by allowing people to open in Georgia you are forcing them to chose and gamble on people coming out. Most polls are showing people do not want to come out. You spend the outlay to open but no one is willing to come so you wasted what reserve you had with no resultant income. Hmm.

And if anyone were going to follow medical advice instead of the Governors, who don't have the balls to say no to the children, the recreational places should be the absolute last things that should open- bars, restaurants, golf, tattoo parlors, salons are all not controllable environments. You can beg people to follow rules but as we have seen in this thread people decide what they think the rules should be and don't respect what is recommended. The things that should open first are businesses who can make rules and control for employee safety with no outside variables. All it takes in one asymptomatic jack wagon to go into the salon or barber and you are off to the races. All it takes is being in a room with someone for 15 minutes and you are at risk.

 

[The Rube]

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Golf courses. No carts. Sanitize everything. Twosomes only.

This is from my understanding. That keeps social distancing.

Also, resorts. Staying at home, or staying in a cabin? Same difference. Just make sure to sanitize after the guest(s) leave.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Every virus you carry has varying levels of contagion and risk of mortality. “Just the flu” might keep you out of work two days but be deadly to someone else. You may be a ticking time bomb to someone with severe immunodeficiency. I don’t look to cause anyone harm or cause them to become ill, but I understand that is a possibility just by virtue of being human.

Well, it took 20.5 hours, but that’s the dumbest thing I’m going to read all day.

 

[LTsatch]

Golf courses. No carts. Sanitize everything. Twosomes only.

This is from my understanding. That keeps social distancing.

Also, resorts. Staying at home, or staying in a cabin? Same difference. Just make sure to sanitize after the guest(s) leave.

They never closed the courses in CT. Each person in a foursome has to take his own cart.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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Hearing a lot of “epis know disease but shouldn’t be making any decisions for our economy.” Yes, letting economists and republicans decide what to do is a great solution.

I am so tired of hearing the “i could pass the flu” absolute BS. We have vaccines that do a good job of herd immunity and those of us who are not *******s and are able get shots to help protect others.

 

[The Rube]

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They never closed the courses in CT. Each person in a foursome has to take his own cart.

Odd. I should have said, only referring to MN. They *just* opened up courses.