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Covfefe-19: We Can Handle Slight Inconveniences. Part 8.

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Today will be interesting, as tuesdays often are, in numbers. The last four Tuesdays have shown 40-80% bumps compared to Sunday/Monday as reporting catches up.

If that trend holds, we're looking at another 1,900 today. If we indeed have that bump, it really calls into question why we continue to have weekend underreporting. Why aren't these agencies being updated daily?

I keep wondering that too. The weekends keep giving me a bit of hope and then it is a total gut punch. Even if we dont get the huge bump though we will pass 58k today :(
 
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Unlike you, I believe in the social contract. I believe I am responsible for the health and well-being of society. I don’t believe anarchic tribalism is a better life.

Social norms reinforce the dominance hierarchy in every society. For the last half century in America control of institutions by the Plutes has made atomistic competition the sacred ideology. The pandemic response is the perfect illustration: hopelessly corrupt and inept, "small government" political leadership has no public policy solution but Die for Wall Street.

Enough people are finally seeing "the curtain pulled back to reveal the blank wall."

You cannot base a thriving, democratic political order on survival of the richest. It destroys everything: values, ethics, the social fabric, and eventually humans themselves.

The way to create a vibrant, supportive human society is through socially aware, nurturing left liberalism. We've made that work before, with FDR and the New Deal. Many advanced democracies have made it work since the end of WW2.

The capitalist model doesn't work. As it destroys the planet in the long term it destroys human compassion and empathy in the short term. Like failed systems before -- despotism, feudalism, racialism, theocracy, colonialism -- we must kill it. As with those other obsolete systems, its beneficiaries will fight us all the way, and millions of people raised in its cultural superstructure to defend it will have to be convinced or at least out-voted.

The question is not if we will move past capitalism, but how. If we do it democratically and peacefully that gives us a good chance at a democratic successor which feeds a prosperous and kind society, cares for those in trouble, and also has room for civil liberties and personal freedom. If it is dynamited by tyrants and violence, that may replay the hard lessons of the French, Bolshevik, and Maoist Revolutions.
 
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The capitalist model doesn't work. As it destroys the planet in the long term it destroys human compassion and empathy in the short term. Like failed systems before -- despotism, feudalism, racialism, theocracy, colonialism -- we must kill it. As with those other obsolete systems, its beneficiaries will fight us all the way, and millions of people raised in its cultural superstructure to defend it will have to be convinced or at least out-voted.

The questions ins't whether we move past capitalism. It's whether we can do it democratically and non-violently, giving us a good chance at a democratic and superior successor, or whether it will be dynamited by tyrants and physical force, which will replay the lesson of the French Revolution.

I sometimes wonder if that single practice of making elementary school kids crawl under their desks to hide from communists forever ruined that generation's capacity to fairly evaluate any policy or program that could be labeled socialist, even wrongly. 5-year-olds being told by their first grade teachers that the boogeyman would get them--in her own classroom. That brainwash was happening in concert with many other things, but how do you get little kids to unsee that boogeyman, even after they grow up?
 
Jesus. This crap still.

57,000 people died in a month, Hovey.

I really don’t understand why you can’t get that through your thick skull. The states reacted to slow the virus. Without that (slow) response, hundreds of thousands would already be dead. The worst seasonal flu in recent memory killed that many over an entire year. We aren’t even close to being done. This fall is likely to be a bloodbath all over again. Similar to almost all modern pandemics.

We don’t get crazy about seasonal flu because it’s not a novel virus for which there’s no treatment, no vaccine, and no understanding of how fast it spreads or whether we even gain immunity. And, for the people in the back of the room, IT’S ALREADY KILLED 57,000 PEOPLE. We did react to swine flu, and thanks to federal leadership, had a better understanding of how to mitigate it and the fact that it wasn’t overwhelming our ICUs and hospitals.

There isn’t a single person who understands the risks and consequences of reopening a business right now. We don’t know the half of what we need to know about this virus nor are we equipped with the right tools to slow it down once we start opening. We’ve resorted as a society to wearing cut up t-shirts as PPE. You’ve somehow deluded yourself to think you understand the facts when reality is, no one does. And the lack of understanding is why we’re keeping things locked down.

Further, that you keep insisting that people die from other things, so why even look before you cross the street makes me really think you’re either trolling or are such a sociopathic ******* that you have zero empathy for those who are losing friends and family members.

Unlike you, I believe in the social contract. I believe I am responsible for the health and well-being of society. I don’t believe anarchic tribalism is a better life.

I think kep has it right. The moral fabric of this nation wasn’t ruined by religion getting a less prominent role. It’s ruined by people who care for no one but themselves. These so called religious people often fight vehemently to take rights away from people and put them down.

It’s why nations with high social welfare have the happiest people- they may not all run their own “godly small business” or have 4 cars, but most have more than they need and all their basics are affordable.
Contrast with my neighborhood of 1.5M homes and 2 or 3 luxury cars in driveway. They’re trapped at home with all their “stuff” and act like they’ve been sent to the trenches of WW1.
 
I sometimes wonder if that single practice of making elementary school kids crawl under their desks to hide from communists forever ruined that generation's capacity to fairly evaluate any policy or program that could be labeled socialist, even wrongly. 5-year-olds being told by their first grade teachers that the boogeyman would get them--in her own classroom. That brainwash was happening in concert with many other things, but how do you get little kids to unsee that boogeyman, even after they grow up?

That’s an interesting point.

I read an article about the nurse who stood in front of the protesting truck where the blonde woman was leaning out the passenger window screaming. Apparently she was yelling, “You love communism?”

Which totally blew me away. What does being for or against a lockdown have anything to do with being pro or anti communism? It is perhaps what you are saying — the go to bogeyman.

Of course most of those protesters probably belong to a union. Hmmm, I wonder what the first chapter in the Communist Manifesto is all about...
 
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Interesting

“ Researchers at Hong Kong University say they have developed a special new antiviral coating that can be sprayed onto surfaces and protect them from holding coronavirus and other viruses for as long as 90 days as it continues to fight and kill bacteria that lands on the coating.”
 
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Governor Baker extends Massachusetts stay at home to May 18th. Which is smart. May 4th is Monday and we're nowhere near ready to start opening up IMO.
 
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Get out of my state, you closeted Hypocrite

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Why didn't any of the bigs at the clinic force him to put a mask on? Or GTFO.
 
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This should have been posted a bit more than two hours ago.......I was out in the wild, going to the
grocery store. Had not been there for 12 days. TP was available!


New Brunswick, New Jersey, Population 56100*




* US Census Bureau 2018 estimate
 
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Beer and pain meds are otherwise a great combo

“ Officials say two men in Georgia ingested household chemicals in an effort to protect themselves against COVID-19 over the weekend. The state poison control center director said one man “said that he took 16 ounces" of bleach and another man was hospitalized after drinking Pine-sol mixed with mouthwash, beer and pain medication.”
 
Re: Covfefe-19: We Can Handle Slight Inconveniences. Part 8.

Beer and pain meds are otherwise a great combo

“ Officials say two men in Georgia ingested household chemicals in an effort to protect themselves against COVID-19 over the weekend. The state poison control center director said one man “said that he took 16 ounces" of bleach and another man was hospitalized after drinking Pine-sol mixed with mouthwash, beer and pain medication.”

A lot of things begin to make sense if you assume Dump is a liberal sleeper agent.
 
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Dimwit Donnie is gonna use the Defense Production Act to order meat production plants to stay open.

Can't use it to make ventilators or tests, but gotta make sure we have our ****ty pork products.
 
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Now that there has been some time to digest the science and ACTUAL outcomes, some interesting patterns have begun to emerge. Age statistics for fatalities are being compiled and beg the question on who should continue to be locked away, quarantined, forced to stay home from work, kept from school/college or "handle the slight inconvenience"........

Below are the fatalities broken down by age range in Massachusetts, New York City and Italy. The fatality totals add up to 39,603. Ages 0-19 add up all three areas and there have been a TOTAL of 7 fatalities. If you then take the HUGE jump up to 49 and under, the TOTAL jumps to 392.


Massachusetts - As of April 27th - 3003 corona fatalities - Deaths for Ages 0-19 = 0

https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/...eres-what-we-know-latest-updates-town-by-town
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New York City - As of April 27th - 11,820 corona fatalities - Deaths for ages 0-17 = 5 (all with underlying conditions)

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-04282020-1.pdf

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Italy - As of April 27th - 24,780 corona fatalities - Deaths for ages 0-19 = 2

https://www.statista.com/statistics...105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

Flame away.:D
 
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How many others were infected by people in that 0-19 age group? How many of those died as a result?

That's why we have social distancing, dumbass.
 
Re: Covfefe-19: We Can Handle Slight Inconveniences. Part 8.

How many others were infected by people in that 0-19 age group? How many of those died as a result?

That's why we have social distancing, dumbass.

These morons can't see beyond the tip of their nose.
 
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These morons can't see beyond the tip of their nose.

All me, me me. "I'm perfectly healthy, I'm not afraid of catching this virus, I should be able to hang out in bars and take my chances if I want". When did this country get so goddam selfish?

It's at the point I almost wish they'd catch it and infect their wife, or mother, or grandfather, and then have to watch them die. Then see how they feel.
 
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You know what strikes me about the graph that shows daily new cases?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

It looks like a tree line on a mountain. This even looks like it was capped by testing capacity.

Compare that daily graph of new positives vs. testing:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...try=United States, specimens tested (CDC)+USA

3-day average:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-tests-rolling-3-day-average?country=USA

That's absolutely what's happening. Either we've reached the manufacturing capacity of the supplies, we've reach capacity of doctors able to test, or ...?

Although, something was clearly knocked loose around a week ago. New lab or manufacturing line coming online?
 
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