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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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SJHovey said:
People have no patience anymore. Everyone demands an answer, and they want it yesterday.

What the medical community should have said in February and March of 2020 is this. We don't know if it came from a lab. We have no current evidence it did. We also don't know if it sprung from nature because we don't have any evidence as to how that might have occurred.

Here is what we can tell you. We will figure it out. It's going to take a long time, but ultimately we think we'll figure it out. But to claim it was a lab leak or claim it sprung from a chicken market in Wuhan, right now, is wrong and uninformed.

Then, just keep repeating that until you figure it out.
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Late to the party answering but this sent me into the stratosphere. The MEDICAL COMMUNITY handled this exactly as you suggested they should. In doing so they were vilified, chastised, accused of hiding information, lying and told they were less knowledgeable than those who went to the University of Bing, Google or [fill in a Faux host]*. Leading experts were denigrated, misquoted, physically threatened. The attempts of the CDC to present this message were met with the dismantling of the agency, scientists/personnel being muzzled, a mass exodus of experts from the agency, the website being sanitized of accurate information and the data flow being changed to route through a different agency to prevent analysis from occurring. Still, people persisted in trying to convey accurate information.

What you are criticizing is the message from the MEDIA who were unwilling or incapable of accurate reporting incuding nuance or uncertainty. They presented what the medical community was attempting to share with oversimplified analysis, passed judgement without expertise and ultimately managed to undermine any effort by creating confusion. (knucklehead people who were spreading and amplifying patently false information is for another day).

The general population doesn't do well with uncertainty. They were unwilling to listen to the message that there was no definitive answer. That you have no recollection of this message is a perfect illustration of how successful they were at delegitimizing what was being said. The medical community continues to attempt to convey this is a novel virus and we do not know exact answers. This is STILL the message and it is lost in the noise of the idiots.

At the start the message addressed nuances. Guidelines were developing being adjusted d/t increasing knowledge
Media translation- changes showed lack of knowledge, and they had caught experts 'lying' or changing their tune.

Complex messaging was abandoned in favor of black and white guidelines.
Media response- claimed variables (the ones that were previously dismissed) were being ignored, asked why guidelines weren't considering local situations.

Variables were acknowledged- release of decision tree guidelines based on local data.
Media response- too unclear and complicated for people to know what to do. No coverage about how to navigate thru (a 5 yr old could figure this out).

Add into this multiple Public figures who were messaging we should not have to deal with this while ignoring the reality (reality sux chickie- you don't get to be tired, take your ball and go home)

What this has shown is
-people like being told reality is optional. If they are told it enough, people will believe anything, even if it will kill them or their loved ones.
-there is no reward in encouraging problem solving or being logical. Outrage is much better for political campaigning.
-it is nearly impossible to correct faulty messaging

This article is an excellent

https://open.substack.com/pub/yourl...nd?r=wnmow&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

*I have an advanced degree and worked in medicine for close to 40 yrs. I don't know what I wasted my money, time and effort for. My message of it was too early to be sure, we didn't have enough data to make definitive statements was met with derision, insult and my being informed I was attempting to cover up real information
 
leswp1 said:
Late to the party answering but this sent me into the stratosphere. The MEDICAL COMMUNITY handled this exactly as you suggested they should. In doing so they were vilified, chastised, accused of hiding information, lying and told they were less knowledgeable than those who went to the University of Bing, Google or [fill in a Faux host]*. Leading experts were denigrated, misquoted, physically threatened. The attempts of the CDC to present this message were met with the dismantling of the agency, scientists/personnel being muzzled, a mass exodus of experts from the agency, the website being sanitized of accurate information and the data flow being changed to route through a different agency to prevent analysis from occurring. Still, people persisted in trying to convey accurate information.

What you are criticizing is the message from the MEDIA who were unwilling or incapable of accurate reporting incuding nuance or uncertainty. They presented what the medical community was attempting to share with oversimplified analysis, passed judgement without expertise and ultimately managed to undermine any effort by creating confusion. (knucklehead people who were spreading and amplifying patently false information is for another day).

The general population doesn't do well with uncertainty. They were unwilling to listen to the message that there was no definitive answer. That you have no recollection of this message is a perfect illustration of how successful they were at delegitimizing what was being said. The medical community continues to attempt to convey this is a novel virus and we do not know exact answers. This is STILL the message and it is lost in the noise of the idiots.

At the start the message addressed nuances. Guidelines were developing being adjusted d/t increasing knowledge
Media translation- changes showed lack of knowledge, and they had caught experts 'lying' or changing their tune.

Complex messaging was abandoned in favor of black and white guidelines.
Media response- claimed variables (the ones that were previously dismissed) were being ignored, asked why guidelines weren't considering local situations.

Variables were acknowledged- release of decision tree guidelines based on local data.
Media response- too unclear and complicated for people to know what to do. No coverage about how to navigate thru (a 5 yr old could figure this out).

Add into this multiple Public figures who were messaging we should not have to deal with this while ignoring the reality (reality sux chickie- you don't get to be tired, take your ball and go home)

What this has shown is
-people like being told reality is optional. If they are told it enough, people will believe anything, even if it will kill them or their loved ones.
-there is no reward in encouraging problem solving or being logical. Outrage is much better for political campaigning.
-it is nearly impossible to correct faulty messaging

This article is an excellent

https://open.substack.com/pub/yourl...nd?r=wnmow&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

*I have an advanced degree and worked in medicine for close to 40 yrs. I don't know what I wasted my money, time and effort for. My message of it was too early to be sure, we didn't have enough data to make definitive statements was met with derision, insult and my being informed I was attempting to cover up real information
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Yep.
 
Kep- the first article was from Sept '21, so I'm sure we've all seen that one. At least the 2nd is recent. Either way, it's just like Beauty and the Beast- it's a tale as old as time.
 
Kepler said:
Oops, sorry. I thought they were both this week. My bad.
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Not a big deal- it's basically a narrative we've had since about April 2020. The deniers did *something* that they said was ok, and then died because it wasn't ok. And these are the majority of people who are keeping COVID numbers as high as they are- which is quite close to over 100k/year still. The antivaxxors are 4x more likely to die than just basic vaccinated, ~10x for those who are boosted. So even at 20% of the population, they still end up being the most deaths (a lot because 16% is fully boosted at the very low rate).

Eventually, they will die out enough to be the smaller group dying. But deniers will still die faster than everyone else, by a decent margin.
 
MichVandal said:
Not a big deal- it's basically a narrative we've had since about April 2020. The deniers did *something* that they said was ok, and then died because it wasn't ok. And these are the majority of people who are keeping COVID numbers as high as they are- which is quite close to over 100k/year still. The antivaxxors are 4x more likely to die than just basic vaccinated, ~10x for those who are boosted. So even at 20% of the population, they still end up being the most deaths (a lot because 16% is fully boosted at the very low rate).

Eventually, they will die out enough to be the smaller group dying. But deniers will still die faster than everyone else, by a decent margin.
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The culling of the stupid in the herd is not nearly efficient as it needs to be. The amount of wasted resources- medical and financial- wasted on those born with deficient reactivity to risk.... the excess amount of money spent treating, the loss of income of family and friends who have consequences of their stupidity, the disruption and economic impact of them (and those around them) missing work, the cost of long covid (exponentially higher in the unvaxxed)... We could fund a lot of things more useful than the nanny state propping up people who intentionally put themselves at risk while complaining about the nanny state and then utilizing all the resources they complain are funded.
 
leswp1 said:
The culling of the stupid in the herd is not nearly efficient as it needs to be. The amount of wasted resources- medical and financial- wasted on those born with deficient reactivity to risk.... the excess amount of money spent treating, the loss of income of family and friends who have consequences of their stupidity, the disruption and economic impact of them (and those around them) missing work, the cost of long covid (exponentially higher in the unvaxxed)... We could fund a lot of things more useful than the nanny state propping up people who intentionally put themselves at risk while complaining about the nanny state and then utilizing all the resources they complain are funded.
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Have to add in the people who go bankrupt because they either don't get insurance (because Obamacare) or get the cheapest version they have to (because Obamacare) For sure, people will have to put out a lot of their own money to spite themselves.

It's really not a good thing that people die, and I should feel bad for them and their families. But in the same manner that they object to medical assisted suicide, they are making a choice to risk their lives and tend to lose often enough. Seems that it would be more effective for them to go for a motorcycle ride w/o a helmet at really high speed in traffic. Then at least the other person can sue their insurance and get some money.
 
leswp1 said:
The culling of the stupid in the herd is not nearly efficient as it needs to be. The amount of wasted resources- medical and financial- wasted on those born with deficient reactivity to risk.... the excess amount of money spent treating, the loss of income of family and friends who have consequences of their stupidity, the disruption and economic impact of them (and those around them) missing work, the cost of long covid (exponentially higher in the unvaxxed)... We could fund a lot of things more useful than the nanny state propping up people who intentionally put themselves at risk while complaining about the nanny state and then utilizing all the resources they complain are funded.
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Armies used to take care of this. The testosterones signed up to be moved down. But now wars kill civilians and some of them are worth something, so nature is finding another way.
 
leswp1 said:
Late to the party answering but this sent me into the stratosphere. The MEDICAL COMMUNITY handled this exactly as you suggested they should. In doing so they were vilified, chastised, accused of hiding information, lying and told they were less knowledgeable than those who went to the University of Bing, Google or [fill in a Faux host]*. Leading experts were denigrated, misquoted, physically threatened. The attempts of the CDC to present this message were met with the dismantling of the agency, scientists/personnel being muzzled, a mass exodus of experts from the agency, the website being sanitized of accurate information and the data flow being changed to route through a different agency to prevent analysis from occurring. Still, people persisted in trying to convey accurate information.

What you are criticizing is the message from the MEDIA who were unwilling or incapable of accurate reporting incuding nuance or uncertainty. They presented what the medical community was attempting to share with oversimplified analysis, passed judgement without expertise and ultimately managed to undermine any effort by creating confusion. (knucklehead people who were spreading and amplifying patently false information is for another day).

The general population doesn't do well with uncertainty. They were unwilling to listen to the message that there was no definitive answer. That you have no recollection of this message is a perfect illustration of how successful they were at delegitimizing what was being said. The medical community continues to attempt to convey this is a novel virus and we do not know exact answers. This is STILL the message and it is lost in the noise of the idiots.

At the start the message addressed nuances. Guidelines were developing being adjusted d/t increasing knowledge
Media translation- changes showed lack of knowledge, and they had caught experts 'lying' or changing their tune.

Complex messaging was abandoned in favor of black and white guidelines.
Media response- claimed variables (the ones that were previously dismissed) were being ignored, asked why guidelines weren't considering local situations.

Variables were acknowledged- release of decision tree guidelines based on local data.
Media response- too unclear and complicated for people to know what to do. No coverage about how to navigate thru (a 5 yr old could figure this out).

Add into this multiple Public figures who were messaging we should not have to deal with this while ignoring the reality (reality sux chickie- you don't get to be tired, take your ball and go home)

What this has shown is
-people like being told reality is optional. If they are told it enough, people will believe anything, even if it will kill them or their loved ones.
-there is no reward in encouraging problem solving or being logical. Outrage is much better for political campaigning.
-it is nearly impossible to correct faulty messaging

This article is an excellent

https://open.substack.com/pub/yourl...nd?r=wnmow&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

*I have an advanced degree and worked in medicine for close to 40 yrs. I don't know what I wasted my money, time and effort for. My message of it was too early to be sure, we didn't have enough data to make definitive statements was met with derision, insult and my being informed I was attempting to cover up real information
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St. Clown said:
It’s been over a year since I’ve lost partial sense of smell from this ****ing virus. Fortunately(?) I can still smell most noxious things, so safety is less compromised. Still, I’d tend to think that an ability to smell more scents is better than my overly heightened ability to smell the gasoline in my snowblower.
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Oh, that's the sad truth. I'm sick with covid for the third time and it's annoying me. I am barely coping with diabetes now (I Buy Trulicity Online, do a lot of sports, eat right). And covid limits me even more. When I don't smell, it's terrible! It's sad because three times, my sense of smell has deteriorated significantly
 
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The biggest takeaway so far from the lab leak and other behind the scenes information is there was a concerted cover-up on the information, from a wide swatch of media outlets. At some point, ALL of us need to be able to look at this from the outside. The truth will always come out, eventually. The cracks in the wall are just starting and dont you have to admit the beginnings are not looking good "for Mr Science"?

Emails show Mr Science first became aware of covid from a lab in Nov 2019. Then further emails show a concerted effort to "get ahead: of this in Jan/Feb 2020. Unless Forbes Magazine is shown to be some right wing nut publication, here is an article from DECEMBER 2021. How well has this article aged for the good doctor?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbr...gins-and-the-lab-leak-theory/?sh=48b7d8f3a853

Then you follow it up with one of his most recent interviews where he said this (too paraphrase) - "The virus could still be "naturally occurring". How?? "Maybe a scientist from the lab went to the Wuhan wet market, got infected, and then went back to the lab where he infected another worker. Then they left the lab and infected others, who then infected the world. Yes, it did come OUT of the lab, but it had already gone IN to the lab from outside. See, this would PROVE the virus was in fact, "natural".

Is OJ still looking for the "real" killers? Maybe he could spare a few minutes to fly over to Wuhan. :-)
 
St. Clown said:
It’s been over a year since I’ve lost partial sense of smell from this ****ing virus. Fortunately(?) I can still smell most noxious things, so safety is less compromised. Still, I’d tend to think that an ability to smell more scents is better than my overly heightened ability to smell the gasoline in my snowblower.
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It has been 3+ yrs for me. I totally lost it then had diminished sense of smell, phantom smells where I would smell something that didn't exist- often a chemically smell or something sweetish. I progressed to that becoming intermittent but getting the smell of something stuck in my nose and smelling it all day. Got Covid beginning of Feb- back to square one. (Pooo)
 
MissThundercat said:
North Carolina wants to ban COVID vaccine mandates for schools and government employees for 3 years.
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