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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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SJHovey said:
I'm not even comparing those things. If you'll read the series of posts, you'll see what I'm talking about is people weighing what they perceive to be the risks associated with various activities.

People understand you can be minding your own business standing in a grocery store and catch COVID. They just don't perceive that there is that great of a risk of dying from it.
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And these same people probably supported bombing the life out of Afghanistan for fear of terrorism. Why is it that that such a minor chance of death gets that much attention compared to COVID?
 
MichVandal said:
If you asked a person why they are doing X- seat belt, eating well, good water- there's a high chance they will say it's safe. They may not compare it, but it's also not ignored at the same time. There have been threads on this board that claimed that going to Detroit was too dangerous to them... And much of that is more hyped fear mongering news, too. Just like the threat of terrorism is hyped fear mongering.

But when faced with an actual threat to your life, it's ignored.

BTW, your numbers of 1-10,000 are not good- we are almost at 1-330. That's how bad it is in the US.
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The numbers that I used were just for purposes of giving an example of how even though you might be statistically much better off if you got the vaccine, if the risk of death without getting it is still relatively small, that's what people will look at. It wasn't intended as a precise definition of the actual odds.

Personally, I don't think 1-330 is right, either, though, even though we are approaching a million deaths in this country. My guess is your actual odds of dying from it vary based upon age, general health, etc... My examples were intended to depict just the average person in this country. Obviously, someone who is 90 years old, 300 pounds with COPD and diabetes, is probably a lot more worried about dying from the disease than some 35 year old working construction somewhere.
 
Conventional wisdom prior to covid was that infection-born immunity (Can we drop the idiotic and loaded term "natural immunity" please?) was "better" than vaccine-born immunity, however there wasn't much in the way of research to bare that out. What does "better" even mean? Plus, since your infection from <foreign entity here> can be wildly varying and strength of immunity (again, a shitty term here) is usually quite dependant on the infection. Have a mild case of something, and you will likely have "less" immunity than someone who had a strong case. Except when you don't. Caveat emptor, etc. etc. Plus, ya know, you were infected and likely symptomatic (but again, not always), and that is less than ideal.


Meanwhile, vaccine-born immunity is measured, dosed and fairly consistent. At least, it's far more consistent than infection-born immunity. And, ya know, you don't get sick.

I think Covid has really thrown this conventional wisdom on its end. It may still be vaguely true, sorta, in some cases, but people vaccinated and boosted are less likely to be infected than someone who's had Covid. So what does that tell you?



Getting a zillion people vaccinated with a 2 or 3 dose vaccine was a logistical nightmare that other nightmares are made of*. Trying to add in getting tested for antibodies (the tests at this time, I'll add, are shit) when the CDC isn't recommending it for any real purpose, would simply add more insane bullshit to the already complicated process. And for a completely unknown benefit, if any.




*The fact that we managed to vaccinate almost 200 million people in less than a year is absolutely stupifyingly amazing. I was but a tiny, tiny part in the process and I know how much work I did, and I feel like this accomplishment by "us" is incredible. Time Magazine giving that wannabe edgelord Musk the Person of the Year award - instead of "Your Doctors and Nurses and administrators and everyone else involved in any capacity with healthcare" - was pathetic.
 
Rather than seatbelts, maybe a more useful analogy would be the safety chain on a trailer. It's not there to protect only one's own interest against an unlikely occurrence but others' as well. The Right always wants this to be only about the person being vaxxed or wearing a mask, not about others.
 
SJHovey said:
The numbers that I used were just for purposes of giving an example of how even though you might be statistically much better off if you got the vaccine, if the risk of death without getting it is still relatively small, that's what people will look at. It wasn't intended as a precise definition of the actual odds.

Personally, I don't think 1-330 is right, either, though, even though we are approaching a million deaths in this country. My guess is your actual odds of dying from it vary based upon age, general health, etc... My examples were intended to depict just the average person in this country. Obviously, someone who is 90 years old, 300 pounds with COPD and diabetes, is probably a lot more worried about dying from the disease than some 35 year old working construction somewhere.
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It is factual that 1 in 330 Americans have died from COVID19. Mess with the odds all you want, but those are the numbers. Since most of those have come after there has been a vaccine, well. And the last 6 months or so, the deaths were gross majority unvaccinated.

All that tells me that if you want to deny how real this is, you will- just like you have.

Reality is real. Feelings are not.
 
MichVandal said:
And these same people probably supported bombing the life out of Afghanistan for fear of terrorism. Why is it that that such a minor chance of death gets that much attention compared to COVID?
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Bombing shit is cool.

Gets the juices of patriotic 'Muricans flowing.
 
rufus said:
Bombing **** is cool.

Gets the juices of patriotic 'Muricans flowing.
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SJHovey said:
I think there are a lot of people who don't view their risk of death from COVID as being that great. Let's say that for every 10,000 unvaccinated people, one of them will die from Covid, but for every 1,000,000 people who are vaccinated and boosted, one of them will die from COVID. Now, it seems like a no-brainer to many people that you would get vaccinated.

But I can tell you for certainty that there are a sizable number of people who will look at that and respond, "One out of ten thousand. Sounds pretty unlikely to me." And they are not completely wrong about that. If you have a one out of 10,000 chance of dying from COVID even without the vaccine, you're very unlikely to die from that disease. I state that as someone who has, on rare occasion, made some irresponsible football parlay bets with 10,000 to one odds.

Personally, I'd rather have it a million to one if we're talking about a bullet flying around looking to take someone down. But it's not like it's a coin flip that you're going to die if you don't get the vaccine.
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Well then the average person doesn't understand math or science...which is exactly how the Cons wanted it my whole life. What a pathetic society we live in...just greedy, selfish, gluttonous and ignorant.
 
This feels like I hit the lottery.

Shift lead at my job refused the C-19 vaccine.

She later caught a very nasty case of C-19, is hospitalized, and will be out for awhile.

It's come to light that she refused the C-19 vaccine because her son told her it was Antichrist/Mark Of The Beast stuff.
 
MichVandal said:
It is factual that 1 in 330 Americans have died from COVID19. Mess with the odds all you want, but those are the numbers. Since most of those have come after there has been a vaccine, well. And the last 6 months or so, the deaths were gross majority unvaccinated.

All that tells me that if you want to deny how real this is, you will- just like you have.

Reality is real. Feelings are not.
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They should just line up 330 Americans outside large gathering spaces, and any time an unvaxxed wants to enter, they have to flip a coin. Heads, no problem. Tails, one of the 330 eats a bullet. Still want to go out partying?

Wait - don’t answer that question. I don’t want to know. (Narrator: he knows)
 
How many people go to a football game if you tell them at the end, you're gonna pick 600 of them at random and put a bullet in their head?
 
rufus said:
How many people go to a football game if you tell them at the end, you're gonna pick 600 of them at random and put a bullet in their head?
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Of those who would go under those conditions, who (not how many) would still go if you told them you're gonna pick 600 other attendees and put a bullet through their heads?

And that before they're executed, 5% of those 600 would pick 3 other attendees and put bullets through their heads?
 
rufus said:
How many people go to a football game if you tell them at the end, you're gonna pick 600 of them at random and put a bullet in their head?
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It's kind of too bad that cumulative hospitalization is no longer being tracked. As you can add in X number at random will get shot in the arm to be in the hospital, another Y will be shot in the chest in a non-fatal way requiring special treatment, and then another Z would be shot in the chest in a non fatal way that would require long term special treatment with lasting effects.

It would also put a number to 1 out of XXX chances of dying if you go to the hospital for COVID. Which is much higher chance than 1:370 (which is where it's at for dying in the US).

I see that Denmark is eliminating laws, but with the really high vaccination rate, Omicron is seen as roughly a cold, so they can let it run through the population. Whereas the US, deaths and cases still track each other well for the unvaccinated. Makes one wonder- should we just open up and let them all suffer? It's their choice after all. If not for the suffering of our neglected healthcare system...
 
MichVandal said:
It's kind of too bad that cumulative hospitalization is no longer being tracked. As you can add in X number at random will get shot in the arm to be in the hospital, another Y will be shot in the chest in a non-fatal way requiring special treatment, and then another Z would be shot in the chest in a non fatal way that would require long term special treatment with lasting effects.

It would also put a number to 1 out of XXX chances of dying if you go to the hospital for COVID. Which is much higher chance than 1:370 (which is where it's at for dying in the US).

I see that Denmark is eliminating laws, but with the really high vaccination rate, Omicron is seen as roughly a cold, so they can let it run through the population. Whereas the US, deaths and cases still track each other well for the unvaccinated. Makes one wonder- should we just open up and let them all suffer? It's their choice after all. If not for the suffering of our neglected healthcare system...
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Rip the band-aid off... The problem will fix itself within 6 months at this point.
 
MichVandal said:
Makes one wonder- should we just open up and let them all suffer? It's their choice after all. If not for the suffering of our neglected healthcare system...
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As each day goes by, I am more and more in the "Vaxxed and Done" camp. I'll follow up with annual boosters or whatever is recommended and I'm all for just returning to as normal as possible while keeping some precautions in place (proof of vax to go to an arena etc etc).

At this point if you are not vaccinated you are a moron and should get whatever comes your way.
 
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