Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Jeb2020]

And tis is why we social distance, and wear masks. Not gather together in groups to play sports or drink at bars.

"But mah freedumbs!!!!"

**** your freedumbs. This is a national public health crisis. Your grandparents signed up to go overseas and possibly be killed to stop fascism. Surely you can sacrifice your weekly beer league game for a while.

What a soft, selfish country we've become.

Sorry Dumb Fok.

I will continue playing hockey every week. Last night be had a good showing 14 guys, all in one locker room, no masks. The other team had 13 guys. It was a good skate.

Speaking of Facism, Scott Gottlieb, could you come up with a more on point definition than this?

https://jordanschachtel.substack.co...mpaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter


You can exercise your freedumbs by staying home permanently. There is no need for you to leave your home, ever, think of a reason and I can come up with an easy solution.

And if you you absolutely have to leave, #TwoFaceDiapers. That's what Covid Hustler Eric Ding suggest.

 

[Jeb2020]

Whenever I see someone saw that the virus will magically disappear after the election, I want to say "Of course it will. Because we will finally have leadership that will work hard to get it under control."

That is not how a virus works.

But to think people actually listen to garbage like this...

Things will get better, but in all likelihood, things will get worse before they get better. This virus is sneaky and cunning and won’t give up. It has a mind of its own.

https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1316078162477023232

What a complete idiot.

 

[Jeb2020]

Good luck, I have had it on and off again since March...They don't know, if it was hiding or laying dormant: but hopefully things will change when people realize that you can be infected twice in a short amount of time: no matter how strong your "immune system"

I wonder how the vaccine is going to change this?

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Question for the docs here-

would you advise someone to get a flu shot if they had covid and had the limb tingling? Neurologist said it’s likely fine to get it but she also admitted she’s seen very few post covid people. My sibling has a few autoimmune diseases including celiac, which apparently has a link to guillan barre, which is what some of my symptoms mimicked at times. Given the crazy sensations and things going on in my body during covid, I don’t feel great about a flu shot that has triggered GB in people

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

Question for the docs here-

would you advise someone to get a flu shot if they had covid and had the limb tingling? Neurologist said it’s likely fine to get it but she also admitted she’s seen very few post covid people. My sibling has a few autoimmune diseases including celiac, which apparently has a link to guillan barre, which is what some of my symptoms mimicked at times. Given the crazy sensations and things going on in my body during covid, I don’t feel great about a flu shot that has triggered GB in people

With the strong caveats that this is not medical advice:

GBS is a collection of disorders. The one most people (including doctors) think of is something called AIDP (acute inflammatory demyelinating polyradiculopathy). There are other types and patterns but part of AIDPs diagnosis requires loss of reflexes which implies large fiber nerve involvement. Large fibers are also what is tested on an EMG. Symptoms like burning, tingling are mostly small fiber symptoms which are (essentially) not tested on an EMG. They may be associated with GBS, but are not really the only predominant symptom (except in super rare, difficult to diagnosis syndromes). There are certainly other reasons that a virus can cause small fiber irritation that is not GBS (they have less to no myelin, therefore it is difficult to have a "demyelinating" condition).

In general, even people who get GBS should get the flu shot. There is relatively convincing evidence for some strains (particularly swine flu) increase GBS risk but nothing super convincing for the yearly flu vaccination. It is listed as a risk for the yearly flu vaccine but I suspect most if not all cases are coincidental, not causative. This is a bit controversial in the medical community so you may get different opinions from different people...but the data just isn't super convincing in my opinion.

You have to remember that we are exposed to so many antigens on a daily basis (thousands). The reason you get GBS from a viral or bacterial infection is molecular mimicry. So if you can get it from the vaccine, you can most likely get it from the illness. Plus getting the illness is a much higher antigenic load than any vaccine (so if you get the flu, you are probably much more likely to get GBS).

The classic infection prior to GBS is campylobacter. Zika also clearly increases the risk. We are probably too early in the Covid days to know for sure but given the number of infections, we have not seen a clear bump in GBS cases over background (either in the literature or locally).

Hope that helps a bit.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Thanks ww. Really appreciate it, exactly what I was looking for - general thoughts.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Quantifying the Incredibly Unlikely Aerosol Transmission of COVID on Airplanes

There’s a good chance you know someone who has told you, “oh yeah, I know someone who got COVID on an airplane.” That’s most likely not true. Not only is it unlikely that someone could pinpoint transmission like that in the US, but there’s also been plenty of work done showing that it’s probably not happening even remotely often. Studies on transmission via droplets show that masks are very effective at preventing transmission, but what about smaller particles allowing aerosol transmission? We have a new study which gets to that point. The chance of you getting COVID via aerosol transmission on an airplane is remarkably tiny.

If my covid test comes back negative maybe I'll actually fly again. If my sense of smell never returns that will open up a few more decent seat opportunities as well.

 

[Handyman]

I have been hearing that for a while now. When I flew in March they actually explained to us some reasons including how they had updated the air filtration systems in the planes and so on. Hopefully we get more evidence of this because I got places to go ;-)

 

[aparch]

... If my sense of smell never returns that will open up a few more decent seat opportunities as well.

The lack of smell/taste also presents itself a good opportunity to finally take shots of Malort with no repercussions.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

The lack of smell/taste also presents itself a good opportunity to finally take shots of Malort with no repercussions.

Cheater

 

[cF[Authentic]]

Quantifying the Incredibly Unlikely Aerosol Transmission of COVID on Airplanes



If my covid test comes back negative maybe I'll actually fly again. If my sense of smell never returns that will open up a few more decent seat opportunities as well.

Flew to/back from northern Sweden via Frankfurt last week and yesterday and while what's happening in the terminals varies by country, on the planes it's pretty standard protocol. Empty middle seats, face masks for everyone, minimal to non-existent beverage service unless you're business class.

I'd fly again, but at this point there's essentially nowhere that you can go without needing to quarantine either on the way there or the way back.

 

[rufus]

Italian cyclist Fernando Gaviria tests positive at the Giro d'Italia.

His second bout with the virus. Obviously, not immune.

 

[Kepler]

Quantifying the Incredibly Unlikely Aerosol Transmission of COVID on Airplanes



If my covid test comes back negative maybe I'll actually fly again. If my sense of smell never returns that will open up a few more decent seat opportunities as well.

Please don't, based on stories like this. I don't know for a fact they are planted by the airline industry, I just know it.

The death stick industry and the oil industry also spend millions on "studies." Purely coincidentally, the results always help their bottom lines.

Please do not die for someone's share price.

 

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Flew to/back from northern Sweden via Frankfurt last week and yesterday and while what's happening in the terminals varies by country, on the planes it's pretty standard protocol. Empty middle seats, face masks for everyone, minimal to non-existent beverage service unless you're business class.

I'd fly again, but at this point there's essentially nowhere that you can go without needing to quarantine either on the way there or the way back.

Rapid testing at all ports is the only way we're going to get the borders somewhat reopened by this winter. Negative at the departure point, you're good to board. Positive, you're not getting on that plane or ship. You get tested again upon arrival, right before immigration & customs. If positive you get pulled aside and follow the quarantine rules of whichever country or jurisdiction you've arrived in, with no exceptions.

It will add time to the whole process and is annoying, but it's the only way to do it without a proven vaccine.

 

[rufus]

Gosh, why aren't we doing that?

 

[Swansong]

Italian cyclist Fernando Gaviria tests positive at the Giro d'Italia.

His second bout with the virus. Obviously, not immune.

I feel like this story comes up every 6 weeks.

We've had almost 40 million global infections, right? To have a handful of confirmed re-infections shouldn't be surprising. Some people simply never develop memory antibodies for some or all viruses. And some get such a light initial infection that it doesn't fully trigger that immune response. We have no way of knowing.

So ultimately, we do not yet know for sure how long COVID immunity lasts for an average person, but it is absolutely there because that's how immune response works. COVID isn't some weird virus that defeats immunity.

 

[Swansong]

Rapid testing at all ports is the only way we're going to get the borders somewhat reopened by this winter. Negative at the departure point, you're good to board. Positive, you're not getting on that plane or ship. You get tested again upon arrival, right before immigration & customs. If positive you get pulled aside and follow the quarantine rules of whichever country or jurisdiction you've arrived in, with no exceptions.

It will add time to the whole process and is annoying, but it's the only way to do it without a proven vaccine.

I agree. They need to be everywhere. Even with their reduced accuracy compared to PCR tests (and the issue is with false negatives, not false positives), the ability to run them nonstop means you could be tested multiple times per week if necessary. Maybe you're sick and the first test misses it. But will the second? Or third?

 

[RaceBoarder]

That will work everywhere but in the US....

I know that the American International Traveler is a different subset from your average American, but still..

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

That will work everywhere but in the US....

I know that the American International Traveler is a different subset from your average American, but still..

Why not? You either take the test or you don't board (or aren't allowed to enter the country at the destination). This is just like the airlines' mask policies. In fact, it's actually easier to enforce.

 

[Slap Shot]

The 7-day moving average for deaths is the highest it has been since September 29[SUP]th[/SUP]. Coincidentally the same average for daily cases began rising September 12[SUP]th[/SUP] and hasn’t fallen since. Additionally active cases haven’t dropped since June 4[SUP]th[/SUP].