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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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First Time said:
I'm sure those wanting a "civil discussion" will hammer this as BS ( with their usual blustering as well...)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo92093509870?__twitter_impression=true
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There's plenty out there to support that:


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#dashboard

Counts of deaths from all causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented. As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be assigned to other causes of deaths (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted. Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. Comparing these two sets of estimates — excess deaths with and without COVID-19 — can provide insight about how many excess deaths are identified as due to COVID-19, and how many excess deaths are reported as due to other causes of death. These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to the COVID-19 pandemic (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems).
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Weekly counts of deaths from all causes were examined, including deaths due to COVID-19. As many deaths due to COVID-19 may be assigned to other causes of deaths (for example, if COVID-19 was not mentioned on the death certificate as a suspected cause of death), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted. These estimates can also provide information about deaths that may be indirectly related to COVID-19. For example, if deaths due to other causes may increase as a result of health care shortages due to COVID-19. Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. These counts excluded deaths with U07.1 as an underlying or multiple cause of death.
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Also while it's true that some deaths have been attributed to covid that should not have been, just as there are deaths that likely should have been attributed to covid that were not. The speculation is that the net result is an under-counting not over.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/about-30-covid-deaths-may-not-be-classified-such
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200623/COVID-19-deaths-most-likely-being-underreported-in-the-US-says-GlobalData.aspx
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/covid-deaths-under-reported-say-healthcare-professionals/article32254815.ece
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02497-w
 
dxmnkd316 said:
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Ouch Wisconsin... :-(
 
First Time said:
I'm sure those wanting a "civil discussion" will hammer this as BS ( with their usual blustering as well...)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo92093509870?__twitter_impression=true
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Sounds right to me.

The official coronavirus death toll has surpassed 200,000 Americans. While many believe the numbers are over-inflated, epidemiologists say the exact opposite is true; we’re undercounting. NBC News’ Josh Lederman looks into how many lives we’ve actually lost.
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But, Alpha males. They don't need science.
 
Every hospital system in the country (that isn't still on surge protocols) is having "lessons learned" meetings from their recent experience with COVID and surge capacity management, as we expect a fall resurgence somewhere between moderate and significant.

But yeah. Alphas and such. We're fine, we're all fine here.
 
The good news, albeit still distant, is that if the polls are right the adults are coming to help. We are 4 months away from a 400-year leap in science.

As horrific as this country has been under Nazi rule, imagine for a moment how good this country can be under democratic rule with a population that has at last learned not to appease Nazis. Previously there were still people, and even leaders, who were oblivious enough to try to cut deals with the scorpion.

There is no sane person left in America who will ever trust a Republican again. They showed us who they are. Now the 70% rest of us all understand they are to be sent to the kids table, and if they are violent sent to prison. They will no longer have any voice in rational circles, even to mock. They will simply be controlled for, like a natural disaster, and allowed to turn inwards and destroy themselves.
 
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rufus said:
Problem is......

https://news.yahoo.com/a-new-covid-...e-fall-wave-really-be-that-big-215402962.html
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I hate articles like this and feel that they do nothing but scare the overwhelming majority who don't read any part of the study. Or worse, they give the nitwits something to point at in an effort to discredit what the science is actually saying (in its own words, in fact).

Article:
In the likeliest scenario, the IHME researchers now predict that an additional 220,000 people will die of COVID-19 by the end of 2020, bringing America’s total death toll to 410,000 and more than doubling the current tally of 190,000, which took the U.S. nine tragic months to reach, in less than half that time.
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That sounds horrifying! Except that IHME doesn't say it's the "likeliest scenario". At all. In fact, here's what the study say (page 13):
We produce three scenarios when projecting COVID-19. The reference scenario is our forecast of what we think is most likely to happen. We assume that if the daily mortality rate from COVID-19 reaches 8 per million, social distancing (SD) mandates will be re-imposed. The mandate easing scenario is what would happen if governments continue to ease social distancing mandates with no re-imposition. The universal mask mandate scenario is what would happen if mask use increased immediately to 95% and social distancing mandates were re-imposed at 8 deaths per million.
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The "Reference Scenario" is effectively described... on page 1, and predicts just under 380,000 deaths.

Apparently this is actually down a good deal from earlier projections. And I honestly believe that even this is high too - I think it's likely that one or more vaccines will be released in November/December. All three leading vaccine candidates have been manufacturing large amounts of the phase III trial candidates in an effort to have hundreds of millions of doses available on the day they're approved. (yes, I know that HHS and the CDC have issues zero guidelines on vaccine distribution, priority or anything else)

COVID is rotten enough, and our situation dire enough, without openly misstating what the science tells us in its own words.
 
First Time said:
I'm sure those wanting a "civil discussion" will hammer this as BS ( with their usual blustering as well...)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-vid...mpression=true
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So the first Female Dr. in the story says that our testing is missing cases and that we need to test more. We test more per capita than any country in the world and many by a huge margin. So apparently every country in the world is under-counting then and some by a monstrous amount by this logic.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/f...-02-20..latest



Feel free to click the link below and add other countries to the graph. And you will see the US excess mortality is hardly different from most countries. In fact its quite better than many.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Excess deaths is what we should really be looking at as well as hospitalizations to get a good graspe of the situation.

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And just like we can look at all excess mortality we can also look at it for different types of ailments.

C19 collateral medical carnage:
27K excess Alzheimer's Dis
16K excess hypertensive
10K excess diabetes deaths
Excess deaths from heart attacks
strokes
drug overdoses
suicides not yet tabulated

Our excess mortality has been at 0% for a month. Your thoughts on that? Interesting that "Cases" are supposedly spiraling out of control but deaths are back to normal levels.
 
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Handyman said:
I love that the new way for the Trumpers to attack people who actually have a brain is to call us "Beta Males". They think it is a clever way to call people female anatomy. They also think that being an "Alpha" means you are somehow better than everyone else.
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Considering the females record in dealing with this, it should be a compliment. The "Alpha" males so far have managed the largest fvck ups in history of pandemics
 
Jeb2020 said:
Our excess mortality has been at 0% for a month. Your thoughts on that? Interesting that "Cases" are supposedly spiraling out of control but deaths are back to normal levels.
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#teamwetthebed doesn't believe in data that doesn't support their narrative.

It's not that the goalposts have been moved; it's that they are on wheels to abet constant shifting.
 
380,000, 410,000, what's the difference?

That's like Jebbie quibbling over the number of cases. Still means our Donnie has been conducting a colossal clusterfuck of a response.
 
Do people really not understand why us testing significantly more than other countries at this point isn’t a compliment to our response?

edit: also, excess deaths being flat right now isn’t really a positive considering how many there were earlier this year. Any reasonable person would expect a correction and that obviously still isn’t happening.
 
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rufus said:
380,000, 410,000, what's the difference?

That's like Jebbie quibbling over the number of cases. Still means our Donnie has been conducting a colossal cluster**** of a response.
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Well, 30,000 people and their families (not to mention that added strain on the healthcare system) certainly do care.

And like I said, the article was factually misstating what the report said.
 
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