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Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

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Am I afraid of statistics being reported accurately?

No.

What p*sses me off is when statistics get cherry picked. This isn't an a la carte buffet. If the numbers are bad now, then they were bad back in March and April. If the case numbers are because testing is increasing and "less people are getting sick" why are the test numbers surging elsewhere? If Florida is so swell, why did Miami just lock down the city for a weekend? If Texas isn't as bad "as the media says," why is the Texas High School Football Association discussing cancelling football for the fall? Why did the B1G just scuttle their non-conference games?

I don't pour over the daily numbers. But what I do is use my fu**ing brain to understand that if the numbers are getting bigger over time (pick a time frame, three days, five days, seven days, two weeks), then OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS WRONG.
 
aparch said:
Am I afraid of statistics being reported accurately?

No.

What p*sses me off is when statistics get cherry picked. This isn't an a la carte buffet. If the numbers are bad now, then they were bad back in March and April. If the case numbers are because testing is increasing and "less people are getting sick" why are the test numbers surging elsewhere? If Florida is so swell, why did Miami just lock down the city for a weekend? If Texas isn't as bad "as the media says," why is the Texas High School Football Association discussing cancelling football for the fall? Why did the B1G just scuttle their non-conference games?

I don't pour over the daily numbers. But what I do is use my fu**ing brain to understand that if the numbers are getting bigger over time (pick a time frame, three days, five days, seven days, two weeks), then OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS WRONG.
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Even so, the data in the hot spots easily discount some of the claims you are talking about-

If the surge was just about the increased testing, the positive rate would stay constant- but it's not. For the first two weeks of June- Florida was testing about 230k per week, with a positive rate of around 4%. It varied from 3.65 to 4.69, but the actual tests were the same. For the last two weeks of June and first week of july, testing to alomst 400k per week- to be super generous, double it. So cases per week should have gone from 10k/week to 20k per week. But they went up to 40k to almost 60k per week, because the positive rate went to over 10%- well over doubling.

I can't see a normal sample of people randomly doubling the positive rate that much. That makes no sense what so ever. It could happen- but it would not be sustainable, and would fall back to be the average rate over time. So that's pretty obvious.

Florida isn't being terribly nice to take the daily noise out of the fatalities data- and I'm not bothering to put it together- but even with the daily noise, seeing the trend go up is pretty obvious. Can't really bin that anyway else.

Again the data is from Florida Dept of Health- https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...8ddedb9b25e429 not any media site.

(aparch- this isn't directed at you- it's directed at the denier who you are replying to).

Thankfully, the places that had a harsh lock down, and have mask requirements- the decline is quite clear, too. So it's kind of amusing to take the whole data that may show a decline, include data that benefited from hated policies, and deny the data where growth is obvious. Kinda like dumpy saying we should go back to school because countries that have done a great job shutting down and getting through this are going back to school. Gotta do the work JUST LIKE THEM before you can do what they are doing. Gotta be one of the dumbest policy statements that have come from that idiot- and he's lied so many times, it's hard to take out the real dumb stuff.
 
Have a friend in FL who posted something and got a person commenting back " Did you see where some nurses took 50 test kits put water on the tester and sent them in? 67% of the water tested kits came back positive! Wow! Then yesterday I saw some “official” don’t think in US said they also had defective test kits" I responded that this was highly improbable for many reasons- she responds back it is a friend who knows these nurses. And posted tweets (or maybe posts on fb) from Kevin Shamblin who was posting to the Liberty Coalition. Then a post about how they are lying to the sheep about herd immunity.

Tried to google the person posting and who he was referencing. Nada.

Good Lord- this person is in Florida. Good luck chicky.
 
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aparch said:
But ol' Jeb says that like 60 of those deaths don't count because they happened like, a week ago.
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So you mean those deaths that happened a week ago but didn't get counted mean deaths weren't really coming down then, like Jebbie claims they were?

They just weren't being counted?

So, since they weren't counted, does that mean they aren't dead?

Sorta like, you know, we wouldn't have any cases if we weren't testing for them.
 
Also, the fact that in the early months of this, you couldn't get tested unless you had had contact with someone infected, or were showing symptoms. A high positivity rate should be expected, if the only pool you're testing is already sick people.

But now, when regular, asymptomatic people can actually get a test if they ask for one, we should be seeing more test results coming back negative. And yet, the positivity numbers are going up. When they should be either static, or falling, if the numbers of people being tested are rising. That a higher percentage of those people are testing positive means the virus spread has increased.
 
rufus said:
So you mean those deaths that happened a week ago but didn't get counted mean deaths weren't really coming down then, like Jebbie claims they were?

They just weren't being counted?

So, since they weren't counted, does that mean they aren't dead?

Sorta like, you know, we wouldn't have any cases if we weren't testing for them.
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The CDC is dumping deaths from April into July numbers. And they have already been counted by the CDC but have been reclassified as “Covid probable.” Not from last week, two weeks ago but from April.

Its all right from the CDC information.

again what is the issue with saying “we had 20 Covid deaths today and reclassified 30 from, these months...”

versus

”we had 50 new covid deaths today”

Why are you so triggered by proper context? Is it your hope this goes on for as long as possible? Are you hopping for another lockdown and check?
 
aparch said:
How about if you're killed in a motor vehicle accident, we check each fatality's BMI. Anyone who is obese was going to die of heart disease anyway, so it wasn't the crash that killed 'em!

Right Jeb? This is how it works?
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You are doing it wrong.

but it is worth pointing out that.

Obesity Is America's 'Achilles Heel' When It Comes To COVID-19
 
I believe if you read down into the details of those reports, that's exactly what they do.

Otherwise, how would your 'sources' even know about it?

Jesus Christ, you're incredibly fucking stupid. Maybe even dumber than Drew.
 
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Have a friend in FL who posted something and got a person commenting back " Did you see where some nurses took 50 test kits put water on the tester and sent them in? 67% of the water tested kits came back positive! Wow! Then yesterday I saw some “official” don’t think in US said they also had defective test kits" I responded that this was highly improbable for many reasons- she responds back it is a friend who knows these nurses. And posted tweets (or maybe posts on fb) from Kevin Shamblin who was posting to the Liberty Coalition. Then a post about how they are lying to the sheep about herd immunity.

Tried to google the person posting and who he was referencing. Nada.

Good Lord- this person is in Florida. Good luck chicky.
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That BS has been circulating for a while. Lots of "nurses" who "have heard from fellow nurses" about "fake and false positives that are being used to juice up the numbers" and other BS. when asked to provide proof...well they lash out badly.

The amount of people who believe this tripe is just ridiculous to me.
 
rufus said:
I believe if you read down into the details of those reports, that's exactly what they do.

Otherwise, how would your 'sources' even know about it?

Jesus Christ, you're incredibly ****ing stupid. Maybe even dumber than Drew.
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The sources know about it because they have charted all the data. So when there is a dump of say 1000 deaths on 7/11 they can go see where that 1000 actually goes. Statistics is hard.

And no the media or CDC does not mention that in their daily updates. Just like when the resident dolt Handyman tweets out his daily updates.

Repeatably calling someone stupid doesn’t get much mileage from someone that is on record of wanting the government to lock down everyone indefinitely and send them money. Weasel.
 
rufus said:
I believe if you read down into the details of those reports, that's exactly what they do.

Otherwise, how would your 'sources' even know about it?

Jesus Christ, you're incredibly ****ing stupid. Maybe even dumber than Drew.
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Trumpies are Trumpies. Irremediable idiots, and the last bastion of 1950-era morons, who are afraid of brown people, and most especially of facts.

Luckily, they'll (mostly) be dead soon, and our grand-kids will figure out how to proceed.

(Or so I hope.)
 
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Handy has facts from reliable sources. Stupid people consistently trot out their nephew's brother's cousin's former roommate who has his own blog.
 
MissThundercat said:
Handy has facts from reliable sources. Stupid people consistently trot out their nephew's brother's cousin's former roommate who has his own blog.
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I see statistics is difficult for another ^^

My nephew's brother's cousin's former roommate who has his own blog, compiles data provided right form the CDC.
 
rufus said:
I believe if you read down into the details of those reports, that's exactly what they do.

Otherwise, how would your 'sources' even know about it?

Jesus Christ, you're incredibly ****ing stupid. Maybe even dumber than Drew.
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At this point, I'm convinced Drew was just playing the long game and yanking our chain.
 
MissThundercat said:
Handy has facts from reliable sources. Stupid people consistently trot out their nephew's brother's cousin's former roommate who has his own blog.
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I assume "Guy Who Talsk To Himself On Message Boards Cause He Has No Friends" took a shot at me or something? My soul weeps ;-)
 
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