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Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

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Quarantining is a proper strategy. For the elderly and vulnerable. Completely unnecessary for healthy people. Same goes for masks.

https://amp.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/05/28/us-obesity-coronavirus

“In the United States, our Achilles heel will be obesity,” she says. “I think we are vulnerable to having a larger population of moderate to severe courses due to obesity.”

Since this research implies obese people are two to three times more likely to become severely ill from COVID-19, they should isolate until the number of cases in their region is “extremely low,” she says.

“I think it's important to sometimes take the emotional implications out of it when you're just trying to identify risk factors of people that can have a more severe course of COVID-19,” she says. “I know it could be a sensitive topic, but it's also important just to talk frankly and plainly identify the higher risk groups.”
 
So these people who compile data, where do they get their death statistics from?

it's not like 4000 deaths appear out of thin air. And what data are they using to pinpoint back to exactly when those deaths occurred? I mean, that information has to be somewhere, they can't just extrapolate this stuff from nothing.

But I get it. The CDC and the rest of Donnie Trump's administration is actively trying to make the pandemic look worse than it actually is. Cause that's how Donnie wants it.
 
He needs kids in school so mom and dad can get back to work.

we could have had short term economic pain if we dealt with this virus like adults. Instead, we’re going to continue deeper and deeper effects because people thought it’d be cool to vote for the ceo who can’t stop filing for bankruptcy
 
I just don't get it. What's with the current obsession about when deaths occurred. Either they did, or they didn't. How many deaths do we need before you decide this is a serious problem? Just name a number.

By saying they actually occurred a few weeks ago and not now, puts to lie your claim that death numbers were coming down. And if your obsession is about getting "accurate statistics" and data, perhaps you should be questioning just why every part of this administration is so inept at what they do.

Instead of scoring points on here to own the libs.
 
Here's what's hard- given the response of the state, Florida is filled with people like jeb. How do you convince them that this is real? Given the lack of understanding of the actual data as it comes out, I can't see them interpreting the raw data very well. The "nurse story" that les posted isn't new- we saw that in Michigan and New York, too- yet smart people were able to mitigate the problem well enough that we are able to deal with it.

I think it may take corporations to change the tide. With the parks open, that just sends the message that all is well- just like areas around the country and the world that have dealt with it. But cases and deaths are climbing, and people just want to poke holes in the data- finding reasons to not care.

Seems like all we can do is wait until everyone has a direct impact of a sick or dead person. Then the majority may swing. It's sad that excuses and holes have to be found so that people will end up dying in a very preventable manner. Very preventable.
 
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I just don't get it. What's with the current obsession about when deaths occurred. Either they did, or they didn't. How many deaths do we need before you decide this is a serious problem? Just name a number.

By saying they actually occurred a few weeks ago and not now, puts to lie your claim that death numbers were coming down. And if your obsession is about getting "accurate statistics" and data, perhaps you should be questioning just why every part of this administration is so inept at what they do.

Instead of scoring points on here to own the libs.
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I find it sad that you have zero interest in what is going on to be reported accurately.

The vast majority of people believe that when The ABC Anchor with the cool voice comes on each night and claims xxx amount of “new deaths”, that those are from the current day. They don’t know that many are backlogged or reclassified probable Covid and going back as far as April.

not to mention there are a few hot spots in the country while the vast, vast majority of places are doing just fine.

It leads to fear and panic which is not healthy. And with our entertainment news cycle 24/7 people are freaking out more because of the messaging than the actual threat in their area.


Interesting that you bring up obsession. And ask me what is an acceptable death number. Are you concerned about the 7,000 - 8,000 deaths that happen each day across this country, every single day on repeat?

or are you just a Covid guy?

This has been a virus of the elderly, plain and simple. Have you done enough research to have a good understanding of how many more deaths we have experienced now versus previous years? That is the real data people should be looking at. Then you start to get proper context.

You don’t really believe that the Country has 135k excess deaths from Covid do you?

The Covid deaths all lumped together, probable, positive test, died with or died from have zero context the way they are reported right now.
 
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Here's what's hard- given the response of the state, Florida is filled with people like jeb. How do you convince them that this is real? Given the lack of understanding of the actual data as it comes out, I can't see them interpreting the raw data very well.
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Lol I work in Big Data.

Listening to a few around here fumble around with data and context is telling.
 
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I find it sad that you have zero interest in what is going on to be reported accurately.
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Then take it up with your inept and incompetent administration.

Don't come on here using it as your latest argument to 'own the libs'.

As I asked you before, because a death that happened a week ago not get counted until now mean that death didn't happen? If four hundred deaths that happened last week but not get added til this week kind of put the lie to your claim that deaths were dropping last week?

 
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Then take it up with your inept and incompetent administration.

Don't come on here using it as your latest argument to 'own the libs'.

As I asked you before, because a death that happened a week ago not get counted until now mean that death didn't happen? If four hundred deaths that happened last week but not get added til this week kind of put the lie to your claim that deaths were dropping last week?

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They aren’t just adding deaths from one or two weeks ago. That is perfectly normal very similar to the insurance industry. They are back logging deaths as far as 2-3 months ago. And then presenting it as all happening in one day.

I’m not sure how many times I have to point that out.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

and yes deaths are going down. Are there hot spots, yes a few. But the majority of the country is in good shape.

Between a very dishonest representation of the data and reporting the hot spots as if they represent the entire country is creating fear and panic.
 
Cases are increasing in something like 36 states.

But yeah, we're in good shape.

When should they add the newly discovered/classified deaths? Sprinkle them out over a week or so? Are you claiming it's not possible that deaths that happened a few months ago that cause of death was maybe attributed to something else, or not determined at all, might have been because of the Covfefe-19? And might now be labelled as such with more of your precious 'data' accumulated? All those increased pneumonia deaths in Florida are really pneumonia, or could they be something else?

The hotspots are the entire country. Sooner or later. Because just a few weeks ago, those places weren't hotspots either. Back in February, New York wasn't a hot spot either. We didn't have 'hot spots'. Now we do. Because nothing's being done to stop the spread. 36 states with cases on the rise. As cases increase, so will deaths, just a few weeks or so behind.

 
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Cases are increasing in something like 36 states.

But yeah, we're in good shape.

When should they add the newly discovered/classified deaths? Sprinkle them out over a week or so? Are you claiming it's not possible that deaths that happened a few months ago that cause of death was maybe attributed to something else, or not determined at all, might have been because of the Covfefe-19? And might now be labelled as such with more of your precious 'data' accumulated? All those increased pneumonia deaths in Florida are really pneumonia, or could they be something else?

The hotspots are the entire country. Sooner or later. Because just a few weeks ago, those places weren't hotspots either. Back in February, New York wasn't a hot spot either. We didn't have 'hot spots'. Now we do. Because nothing's being done to stop the spread. 36 states with cases on the rise. As cases increase, so will deaths, just a few weeks or so behind.

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You are coming across as really dense.

if you are going to do a data dump that encompasses months of data, share that.

Don’t present it as all those deaths having happened on July 12. Which is what is being done in the media.

Take your mask off you need some fresh air.
 
Someone doesn't like the message, so it's blame the media time.

Maybe someone should start blaming the people who have done nothing to confront this pandemic. You want months of dats, explained as months of dats? Here ya go:

137,000 dead Americans. Americans who didn't need to die. Who wouldn't have died, except for this virus. That no one at the federal level is doing anything about, except letting it continue to spread, and infect and kill more Americans. I asked before: How many deaths before you begin to give a shit?
 
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Someone doesn't like the message, so it's blame the media time.

Maybe someone should start blaming the people who have done nothing to confront this pandemic. You want months of dats, explained as months of dats? Here ya go:

137,000 dead Americans. Americans who didn't need to die. Who wouldn't have died, except for this virus. That no one at the federal level is doing anything about, except letting it continue to spread, and infect and kill more Americans. I asked before: How many deaths before you begin to give a ****?
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137,000 have died. Can you share how many died from Covid, how many died with Covid, how many weren’t confirmed cases but “probable cases?”

Let me know.

What about the elderly that have passed this time period that didn’t pass because of Covid? But maybe the flu, cold, any of the many other complications that can happen to the elderly, do they not matter to you?
 
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