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Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

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I'd forgotten how deep the propaganda was <s>inside the groupthink bubble</s> on this thread. :rolleyes:

Anyway … far be it for me to interrupt the collectivist comrades and deep-thinking philosophers on here ...

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… but looking at the "action" on this thread from the outside, y'all look/sound like this to the real world ...

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Radio Free Cafe bids you a fond farewell, until the next time, comrades ... :)
 
I'd forgotten how deep the propaganda was <s>inside the groupthink bubble</s> on this thread. :rolleyes:

Anyway … far be it for me to interrupt the collectivist comrades and deep-thinking philosophers on here ...

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… but looking at the "action" on this thread from the outside, y'all look/sound like this to the real world ...

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Radio Free Cafe bids you a fond farewell, until the next time, comrades ... :)

Just curious Chuck, do you think you’ll ever actually respond in a specific manner to ANY specific point that ANY of us makes that contradicts/proves your initial point to be inaccurate or disingenuous or simply complete BS? Just asking for a friend...
 
Re: Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

Please do not quote the derp. This is a troll who is not mentally or morally capable of communicating with adults. Send him back to the D-1 thread and his Pepe phalanx. He isn't going to suddenly grow up. It's not our job to make up for his parents' failure.
 
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Please do not quote the derp. This is a troll who is not mentally or morally capable of communicating with adults. Send him back to the D-1 thread and his Pepe phalanx. He isn't going to suddenly grow up.

I'm running to Panera Bread for a bagel and cream cheese. Anyone want or need anything?
 
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I'm running to Panera Bread for a bagel and cream cheese. Anyone want or need anything?

I love their soup & sandwich special with chicken noodle and roast beef on white because I am the world's most boring person and make Mike Pence look like DMX.
 
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So my company is testing everyone as they start to bring more people back on site. (I’m work from home for the foreseeable future as they need to spread out the people that need to be on site to do lab work)

They’ve tested one of our smaller facilities and the number of asymptomatic positives was over 1%. A lot of these people have been working from home for 3 months, otherwise I suspect it could have been higher.
 
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New York and MN for example did a wonderful job of “leaving them alone.”

https://m.startribune.com/minnesota...nd-to-virus-pipeline-to-elder-care/570968262/

Again the lock downs of healthy people are absolutely absurd. Even more absurd is people who are unwilling to discuss the consequences from them.

Maybe we know the consequences from them. Maybe we think those consequences are a better option than killing thousands of people.

Maybe you like killing people. Maybe you think some people need to die so others can make money. Hard to tell.

To sum up: Suck it.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

Please do not quote the derp. This is a troll who is not mentally or morally capable of communicating with adults. Send him back to the D-1 thread and his Pepe phalanx. He isn't going to suddenly grow up. It's not our job to make up for his parents' failure.

He roots for UNH. All you need to know to assess his credibility and his standing to discuss any subject of worth.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

Just curious Chuck, do you think you’ll ever actually respond in a specific manner to ANY specific point that ANY of us makes that contradicts/proves your initial point to be inaccurate or disingenuous or simply complete BS? Just asking for a friend...

No he wont, which is why we ignore him. If I had to guess he still thinks El Presidentes miracle cure will work.

To people like him and the other troll none of the facts matter because they dont want them too.
 
Maybe we know the consequences from them. Maybe we think those consequences are a better option than killing thousands of people.

Maybe you like killing people. Maybe you think some people need to die so others can make money. Hard to tell.

To sum up: Suck it.

You make a convincing argument. And I haven’t “killed” anyone. I take care of myself and have an immune system, I’m the least of your worries.

So what’s your end game, how long should we stay locked up? Say they can’t figure out a vaccine until June of 2021. So we stay locked down until then?

And hypothetically when this passes what should be the new normal? Should we lock down every flu season? That probably wouldn’t be realistic. But do people deserve to be “killed” from the flu? Or is there a threshold? Say it’s going to be an above average flu season with projected deaths do we lock down anytime it’s going be above a said threshold?
 
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At least 9 states with more deaths than NY today.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

Minnesotas cases going back to the range it was at prior to the downshift during the beginning of the protests.

The videos of the mass protests are awesome but I am still very worried about if we just lit a match in a room full of gas vapor.
 
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It is pretty ironic to call people sheep when all you can do is repeat what you are being told to say.

Even better to play into the division playbook.

All so that someone else can keep making billions of dollars.

So very predictable. As are the calls about the effects. That remark was predicted back in March.
 
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Minnesotas cases going back to the range it was at prior to the downshift during the beginning of the protests.

The videos of the mass protests are awesome but I am still very worried about if we just lit a match in a room full of gas vapor.

Ditto.
 
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https://projects.propublica.org/reopening-america/

Lots of States on the rise. MA is heading up and for some reason we are still opening up.

Lowell, the city down the street from me has bulk of cases below 50yo. and the 2 precincts that are by and far the worst are bellied up to my town. Had 3 conversations today with people who think that reopening somehow decreases the virulence of the virus. NO. it doesn't. It just means when you get sick you should have a vent. This is why people are ignoring the 'recommendations'.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump’s photo op at a Maine factory making badly needed Covid testing swabs actually slowed production: After his tour without a mask, the factory had to trash the day’s output. <a href="https://t.co/OnaU7xTXN7">https://t.co/OnaU7xTXN7</a></p>— Peter Elkind (@peterelkind) <a href="https://twitter.com/peterelkind/status/1269278043576700928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He is too stupid for words.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

Jeb, first of all, I gave you a very specific alternative to dealing with the economic challenges for the average American if we really felt we needed to shut things down even until we had a vaccine. But funny, you chose not to address that idea. Why? My guess is it's because deep down inside you know it actually makes sense and destroys the whole idea of the "cure being worse than the disease".

Next, I'm going to provide a link to another article written in the Scientific American by Dr. Jeremy Faust that discusses the fact that the CDC's estimates for flu deaths each year is just that, an estimate that is very possibly off by over 10,000-30,000 each year. Here's the link;

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...u-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

What follows are some excerpts from the article:

"In early April, as social distancing measures began to succeed in flattening the curve in some parts of the country, an influential forecasting model revised the number of American deaths from coronavirus that it was projecting by summer downward to 60,400, and some people again began making comparisons to the flu, arguing that, if this will ultimately be no worse than a bad flu season, we should open the country up for business again. (On April 22, the model’s forecast rose to 67,641 deaths.) But these arguments, like the president’s comments, are based on a flawed understanding of how flu deaths are counted, which may leave us with a distorted view of how coronavirus compares with it."

"When reports about the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 began circulating earlier this year and questions were being raised about how the illness it causes, COVID-19, compared to the flu, it occurred to me that, in four years of emergency medicine residency and over three and a half years as an attending physician, I had almost never seen anyone die of the flu. I could only remember one tragic pediatric case.Based on the CDC numbers though, I should have seen many, many more. In 2018, over 46,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses. Over 36,500 died in traffic accidents. Nearly 40,000 died from gun violence. I see those deaths all the time. Was I alone in noticing this discrepancy?"

"I decided to call colleagues around the country who work in other emergency departments and in intensive care units to ask a simple question: how many patients could they remember dying from the flu? Most of the physicians I surveyed couldn’t remember a single one over their careers. Some said they recalled a few. All of them seemed to be having the same light bulb moment I had already experienced: For too long, we have blindly accepted a statistic that does not match our clinical experience. The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts."

"To do this, we have to compare counted deaths to counted deaths, not counted deaths to wildly inflated statistical estimates. If we compare, for instance, the number of people who died in the United States from COVID-19 in the second full week of April to the number of people who died from influenza during the worst week of the past seven flu seasons (as reported to the CDC), we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu. In other words, the coronavirus is not anything like the flu: It is much, much worse."

The bottom line is that, according to the CDC, from Feb. 1st to May 31st of 2020 there had only been 6,320 confirmed flu deaths, compared to 84,735 confirmed deaths from Covid. So please, quit comparing the flu to Covid. There's also a vaccine for the flu and the vast majority of those who die from the flu didn't get the **** shot. So again, apples to oranges.
 
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He isnt gonna read what you have to say and he certainly isnt going to change his mind.
 
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Do you think MA positive cases are going up because there’s more testing being done? As I mentioned, I got a call from my city’s mayor saying anyone could now get a test, no need for a doctor referral.
 
Jeb, first of all, I gave you a very specific alternative to dealing with the economic challenges for the average American if we really felt we needed to shut things down even until we had a vaccine. But funny, you chose not to address that idea. Why? My guess is it's because deep down inside you know it actually makes sense and destroys the whole idea of the "cure being worse than the disease".

Next, I'm going to provide a link to another article written in the Scientific American by Dr. Jeremy Faust that discusses the fact that the CDC's estimates for flu deaths each year is just that, an estimate that is very possibly off by over 10,000-30,000 each year. Here's the link;

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...u-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

What follows are some excerpts from the article:

"In early April, as social distancing measures began to succeed in flattening the curve in some parts of the country, an influential forecasting model revised the number of American deaths from coronavirus that it was projecting by summer downward to 60,400, and some people again began making comparisons to the flu, arguing that, if this will ultimately be no worse than a bad flu season, we should open the country up for business again. (On April 22, the model’s forecast rose to 67,641 deaths.) But these arguments, like the president’s comments, are based on a flawed understanding of how flu deaths are counted, which may leave us with a distorted view of how coronavirus compares with it."

"When reports about the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 began circulating earlier this year and questions were being raised about how the illness it causes, COVID-19, compared to the flu, it occurred to me that, in four years of emergency medicine residency and over three and a half years as an attending physician, I had almost never seen anyone die of the flu. I could only remember one tragic pediatric case.Based on the CDC numbers though, I should have seen many, many more. In 2018, over 46,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses. Over 36,500 died in traffic accidents. Nearly 40,000 died from gun violence. I see those deaths all the time. Was I alone in noticing this discrepancy?"

"I decided to call colleagues around the country who work in other emergency departments and in intensive care units to ask a simple question: how many patients could they remember dying from the flu? Most of the physicians I surveyed couldn’t remember a single one over their careers. Some said they recalled a few. All of them seemed to be having the same light bulb moment I had already experienced: For too long, we have blindly accepted a statistic that does not match our clinical experience. The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts."

"To do this, we have to compare counted deaths to counted deaths, not counted deaths to wildly inflated statistical estimates. If we compare, for instance, the number of people who died in the United States from COVID-19 in the second full week of April to the number of people who died from influenza during the worst week of the past seven flu seasons (as reported to the CDC), we find that the novel coronavirus killed between 9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu. In other words, the coronavirus is not anything like the flu: It is much, much worse."

The bottom line is that, according to the CDC, from Feb. 1st to May 31st of 2020 there had only been 6,320 confirmed flu deaths, compared to 84,735 confirmed deaths from Covid. So please, quit comparing the flu to Covid. There's also a vaccine for the flu and the vast majority of those who die from the flu didn't get the **** shot. So again, apples to oranges.

Again locking down healthy people is absurd. And suggesting some sort of blanket solution for 325 million people is even more so.

Was your solution the one to provide income during the lockdown period? I saw something about that but your posts are very long winded and go in multiple directions. Were you saying as long as income was provided we should lockdown as long as “needed.” When did the narrative change from flatten the curve as to not overwhelm healthcare systems to lockdown until the crisis is over?

Go back and reread my post. No where did I compare what is going on to the flu. I was using it as an example and since the flu happens every year we know it will be here this year, next, and so on. The question was what is “your” threshold for the “new normal.” The same question can be applied to Covid if it becomes seasonal but we don’t know that yet so I didn’t use it as an example.

So what is your threshold for drastic measures moving forward?
 
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