Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At It

[Handyman]

Minnesota has a good liberal tradition and has done a lot of things right in recent years. But simply calling it a "blue state" is a little misleading. Wisconsin has been awful in recent years, with the exception of Baldwin and, to some extent, Kohl. Still, Wisconsin was extremely close in '16, with HRC losing by a margin of only .7%. Minnesota was also very close, with HRC winning by a margin of only 1.5%. Of all the states that went blue, only NH had a smaller margin. No real point here, Handy, except to note that the difference between being blue and red can be very tenuous, something I hope drives us all this fall.

We haven't gone red since Nixon. We are a blue state. We won't be close this time.

Don't try and paint us with your paint thinner brush! It ain't our fault you choose to live in hell

 

[The Rube]

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We haven't gone red since Nixon. We are a blue state. We won't be close this time.

Don't try and paint us with your paint thinner brush! It ain't our fault you choose to live in hell

We're blue. Period.

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Two southern churches forced to reclose after leaders, congregants get coronavirus <a href="https://t.co/HAylH6v87k">https://t.co/HAylH6v87k</a> <a href="https://t.co/TApkDmdcMs">pic.twitter.com/TApkDmdcMs</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1263359141587935234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thoughts and prayers...

Oh and the #openMN Covidiots have been on a roll on twitter. Some are bots and some are just friggin stupid. Apparently since most deaths happen in Long Term Care Facilities (like the one near my house where plenty have died) that means everyone else is safe and we should open up. apparently you either have zero symptoms or die there is no inbetween with these *******s.

Maybe they can go drink some Clorox then they really wont have to worry.

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While most people are familiar with the hallmark symptoms of COVID-19 by now, a new crop of medical conditions are emerging from the more than 4 million confirmed cases of the disease around the world <a href="https://t.co/iliWBJi3gW">https://t.co/iliWBJi3gW</a></p>— TIME (@TIME) <a href="https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1263356854316531713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CDC officials say "lives and money" lost by delayed White House coronavirus response: report <a href="https://t.co/21tmxpLQDe">https://t.co/21tmxpLQDe</a> <a href="https://t.co/pqTsMP21vz">pic.twitter.com/pqTsMP21vz</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1263333974706970625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">8 employees at that JBS plant in Greeley, CO dead. The county health director quit after more than 20 years on the job. <a href="https://twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@maddow</a></p>— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) <a href="https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1263281284480217090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Slap Shot]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">8 employees at that JBS plant in Greeley, CO dead. The county health director quit after more than 20 years on the job. <a href="https://twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@maddow</a></p>— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) <a href="https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1263281284480217090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Orcs won't care because case #'s in CO have been steadily on the decline the past few weeks.

 

[aparch]

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CDC also silently updates website on Coronavirus, says it 'does not spread easily' via contaminated surfaces.

 

[aparch]

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And... four states have been combining the viral swab test results with the anti-body test results giving them as one result.

Which, we know the viral tells you who currently has the virus (helpful in containing it), and the anti-body test tells you who had the virus (as helpful as Monty Python's dead parakeet).

 

[alfablue]

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Right but originally he wasnt saying they "werent effective" he was saying people need to not have a false sense of security just because they wear them. They decrease your chances but they dont make them zero. People as a whole dont think that way though they figure as long as they take minimal precautions they are fine which is not the case.

I cant speak to if he was saying that this time, but all of us around here agreed with that sentiment then and I still do now. I also wear the mask because I dont care if it only helps 1% that is 1% I plan to have on my side.

Of course it doesnt matter anymore. I was out kayaking today and at the lake there was tons of people (it was a gorgeous day) and not one was wearing a mask (except me and the workers) and there was no social distancing at all. If one person was there that had it there would be dozens of cases easy. I get that outside things are different, but jesus christ people it isnt that hard to stay a reasonable distance from others. You arent on the French Riviera here you at a lake in friggin Minneapolis.

The problem isn't the message, it's how it was said. The way I'm reading what he said (which I'm doing indirectly), he will easily be interpreted as "mask don't work" so don't bother with them. Assuming he actually thinks that they are an effective part of preventing spread- which I've not seen any real statements other than interpretations of the statements.

When you read that people should stop fooling themselves about how masks work, well.... And using data from 100 years ago when there's good modern data, well...

Defend his statements all you want- I want data.

 

[alfablue]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">8 employees at that JBS plant in Greeley, CO dead. The county health director quit after more than 20 years on the job. <a href="https://twitter.com/maddow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@maddow</a></p>— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) <a href="https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1263281284480217090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is why doing nothing will have a far worse impact on the economy. Thanks to greed, our food supply is very much under threat. Thanks.

Picture a large assembly plant that stays open and everyone gets sick at the same time- and the long term impact of that closing not to reopen quickly, but to have to somehow re-assemble the workforce. Bearing in mind- see the US auto industry- they all were VERY careful, and were shut down for 8 weeks. Back on line within a day of being allowed to restart. At the same time that many of them produced safety items during the shut down- in a carefully controlled manner.

Vs. the meat plants who have done nothing which are now closed. Instead of lowering production and keeping it open, we have nothing but sick and dying people and no supplies. And no idea when things could start up.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Two southern churches forced to reclose after leaders, congregants get coronavirus <a href="https://t.co/HAylH6v87k">https://t.co/HAylH6v87k</a> <a href="https://t.co/TApkDmdcMs">pic.twitter.com/TApkDmdcMs</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1263359141587935234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thoughts and prayers...

Oh and the #openMN Covidiots have been on a roll on twitter. Some are bots and some are just friggin stupid. Apparently since most deaths happen in Long Term Care Facilities (like the one near my house where plenty have died) that means everyone else is safe and we should open up. apparently you either have zero symptoms or die there is no inbetween with these *******s.

Maybe they can go drink some Clorox then they really wont have to worry.

I’m seeing a LOT more people who have been silent or not politically involved at all now up in arms about restaurants only open for patio service. This will really kick up the anti walz stuff

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the left: Didier Raoult, the rogue French doctor responsible for the idea that hydroxychloroquine can treat coronavirus<br><br>On the right: Harold Bornstein, Trump's (former) personal physician<br><br>These are, allegedly, different people. <a href="https://t.co/OpBeqOO1Pi">pic.twitter.com/OpBeqOO1Pi</a></p>— Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp) <a href="https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/1263142271756775424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Thoughts and prayers...

Oh and the #openMN Covidiots have been on a roll on twitter. Some are bots and some are just friggin stupid. Apparently since most deaths happen in Long Term Care Facilities (like the one near my house where plenty have died) that means everyone else is safe and we should open up. apparently you either have zero symptoms or die there is no inbetween with these *******s.

Maybe they can go drink some Clorox then they really wont have to worry.

<img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWWHLjqU4AAZLRZ.jpg" height=300 width=450>

 

[alfablue]

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The problem isn't the message, it's how it was said. The way I'm reading what he said (which I'm doing indirectly), he will easily be interpreted as "mask don't work" so don't bother with them. Assuming he actually thinks that they are an effective part of preventing spread- which I've not seen any real statements other than interpretations of the statements.

When you read that people should stop fooling themselves about how masks work, well.... And using data from 100 years ago when there's good modern data, well...

Defend his statements all you want- I want data.

Ok, so I went back and watched his statements. There's no mistaking what he is saying- the clear message is that masks are not effective- because of a study in 1918 (we have different standards for mask now) and that the breakout happened in China even with masks (perhaps it reduced how far it spread????)

There's no indication that the message had anything to do with masks being an effective tool to lower transmissions along with social distancing. Nothing at all. There's no way to think that he thinks mask help at all based on that interview. When there is real data showing otherwise.

Are they THE cure- of course not. Do they let you relax social distancing- of course not. But they do HELP. And thanks to the interview, the kind doctor has just given a TON of credibility to not wear masks. Add that to the disdain of distancing, and- Houston, we have a problem.

It would have been a lot better had he been less dismissive about that, even half as emphasis about testing and tracking.

Sad that people who thinks this is a hoax has more reasons to not do anything. Although for those of us taking it seriously- I can deal with the ridicule- especially if it avoids me getting sick and possibly dying. I'll keep wearing my seat belt when I drive.

And it sucks worse when someone who was supposedly a trusted part of the scientific community dismisses data that easily when there are serious holes in how he drew the conclusions.

 

[SJHovey]

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I’m seeing a LOT more people who have been silent or not politically involved at all now up in arms about restaurants only open for patio service. This will really kick up the anti walz stuff

I like Walz. I think he's generally done a good job, both with this pandemic and otherwise. With respect to the pandemic I think he has tried to gather information and make good decisions. I also think he has a realistic view of what he can and cannot accomplish with stay at home restrictions.

That said, the indoor vs. outdoor bar and restaurant decision was a silly one. Either keep them closed all the way, except for take out, or open up both indoor and outdoor service with the protocols he just implemented for the outdoor dining.

He is very enamored with his "this is not a switch, it's a dial" view, so no doubt he believes that allowing just outdoor dining and bar service gives him an argument he's adjusting the dial. But it's silly, and will create more backlash for him that he doesn't need.

Outdoor only doesn't help the employees. They are already going to have to come in and cook food, bartend, and serve patrons. They'll be interacting with co-workers and customers either way.

Is there any evidence that customers seated six feet or ten feet away from one another outdoors is any safer for the customers and staff than sitting the same distance away indoors? In fact, I seem to recall reading somewhere that there is evidence that water droplets containing the virus can actually travel 15 to 20 feet away on an outdoor breeze, so it might even be more dangerous outside.

Also, it further exacerbates the unfairness perception. Bars and restaurants, who through no reason other than geographic location, may have an abundance of patio space while the bar or restaurant next door has zero. Why is that fair?

Are you going to make people sit there and finish their drinks and meal in the rain? This is Minnesota, not San Diego. I think it will also create some interesting questions around the Cities as to what is or is not "indoor" space. I was thinking of McGoverns in St. Paul. They have a "patio" that is basically an indoor space where there is a roof that can be rolled back. Is that outdoors? I've eaten in that space in the dead of winter. How about places with big garage doors that open up, like Surlys?

I think Walz unnecessarily stepped in it here. If he doesn't think it's safe for bars and restaurants to open, fine, keep them closed awhile longer. What's next, the Gophers can play their games (outdoor stadium) but the Vikings can't?

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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There is something out there showing that indoor can have higher infection rates due to air circulation and where you’re sitting

 

[dxmnkd316]

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There is something out there showing that indoor can have higher infection rates due to air circulation and where you’re sitting

There are several things out there saying indoor is far worse.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Walz is trying, but the right won't take any "no" for an answer. it's why Evers in Wisconsin basically gave up after the Supreme Court ruling. There may have been measured ways to approach the coronavirus lockdowns, and there may be better ways to re-open. But to the right it was all a hoax at first, and doing nothing was all most were willing to do. Then when their orange overlord said "we beat it, all is well" the right won't tolerate anything but a complete opening, all at once. So for the people who needed to decide what to do, there were and are few if any options. The excess deaths, the extremity of the economic disaster, they're all the fault of trump and almost every other republican, save for a handful of governors or mayors.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">new EO from <a href="https://twitter.com/GovWhitmer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GovWhitmer</a> , ending restrictions of medical, dental procedures, auto showrooms open and limited retail throughout the state. allow gatherings of 10 people or less.</p>— Kathy Gray (@michpoligal) <a href="https://twitter.com/michpoligal/status/1263471684906094592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/GovWhitmer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GovWhitmer</a> says that remaining parts of stay-at-home order will likely have to be extended beyond 5/28</p>— Todd Spangler (@tsspangler) <a href="https://twitter.com/tsspangler/status/1263472591894953985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>