Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At It

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kalkaska bar serves eager, mask-free crowd just past midnight <a href="https://t.co/2kInB4mcz6">https://t.co/2kInB4mcz6</a></p>— Detroit Free Press (@freep) <a href="https://twitter.com/freep/status/1263806837419376640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"I'm so excited!" exclaimed Kal-Ho bartender Deborah Galea, who'd been audibly counting down the minutes to opening. "I haven't served a drink in over two months!"

Aww, poor you.

"I'm happy that folks are not living in fear anymore and starting to move on with their lives," Goodwin, a grocery store worker, said. "This whole pandemic crap is starting to wear me thin. I believe that this virus is real. I do. But at the same time, we can't keep living like this. Our economy is crashing because of it and I can't deal with it anymore and I'm glad that folks are starting to reopen."

Well, with logic like that...

"Drinking at home is kind of sad," Sivley, who works at a nearby factory, said with a laugh. "So I'm out here tonight because I'd love to grab a beer and at the same time just get out of the shell a little bit."

Countdown to his second or third DUI in 5, 4, 3...

"I'm 61 years old," Schwartz said. "I've been working all my life and it seems like (Whitmer) is trying to take that all away from me. If you want to know the truth, I'd rather die of (COVID-19) than start all over."

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[burd]

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My county has not had a Covid death in 5 weeks and only one new confirmed case in the last week. But with our SIP order gone and part of Wisconsin Dells being in the county, the next two or three months have the potential to be bad news.

 

[alfablue]

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The hard thing I see in many of the responses is the admission that this is all real, but we have to just go on- as if sacrificing people for the sake of anything is ok because we all need to make money. Again, "government" should be capable of making up what people need as a core while things are shut down- and that's been the intention of the relief packages. So while people may not be making money selling a drink at a bar, they still should be getting a living.

Which means we should not just accept people dying for the sake of serving a drink. Or selling an outfit. Or whatever. And while we russians are ok with corporate welfare, making sure people keep the base economy running is socialism. Except that real socialism is the ones who keep companies afloat....

Ugh.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Again, "government" should be capable of making up what people need as a core while things are shut down- and that's been the intention of the relief packages. So while people may not be making money selling a drink at a bar, they still should be getting a living.

They've been told for 40 years that any government assistance, even temporarily during crisis management, is T3h Devil!1!11!! and that accepting it would make them weak and less free. That's not going to change now.

Which means we should not just accept people dying for the sake of serving a drink. Or selling an outfit. Or whatever. And while we russians are ok with corporate welfare, making sure people keep the base economy running is socialism. Except that real socialism is the ones who keep companies afloat....

Ugh.

I don't have to wear a mask on someone else's private property though, because muh freedumb!

 

[alfablue]

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But I came here to actually post a more hopeful question...

Just saw an F1 promotion video showing how they are contributing to the healthcare industry with supplies to help. And I know my company it out there doing the same thing- is planned to make 50K ventilators a month in June/july.

What I see from those efforts is many different ways to do the same thing. Which is actually really good. The question I have is- is there anyone out there evaluating each design to determine the best one? By best- I mean meets the requirements, meets those requirements in the most robust manner, meets those requirements with the least waste (aka, as few one time use things as possible), and then meets all of those requirements but can be made in very high volume and at low cost.

Like I work in the auto industry, and the parts we are using in ventilators are auto grade parts, but are separated from the patient by a HEPA filter so they end up being medical grade. And the interactive display is the same one that you have in the nav systems on new cars. On a relative basis, these are cheap parts, and common, and easy to assemble, and easy to maintain.

So I was just wondering who is going over all of those designs to come up with a new industry standard to be better in all aspects, especially cost.

 

[SJHovey]

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But I came here to actually post a more hopeful question...

Just saw an F1 promotion video showing how they are contributing to the healthcare industry with supplies to help. And I know my company it out there doing the same thing- is planned to make 50K ventilators a month in June/july.

What I see from those efforts is many different ways to do the same thing. Which is actually really good. The question I have is- is there anyone out there evaluating each design to determine the best one? By best- I mean meets the requirements, meets those requirements in the most robust manner, meets those requirements with the least waste (aka, as few one time use things as possible), and then meets all of those requirements but can be made in very high volume and at low cost.

Like I work in the auto industry, and the parts we are using in ventilators are auto grade parts, but are separated from the patient by a HEPA filter so they end up being medical grade. And the interactive display is the same one that you have in the nav systems on new cars. On a relative basis, these are cheap parts, and common, and easy to assemble, and easy to maintain.

So I was just wondering who is going over all of those designs to come up with a new industry standard to be better in all aspects, especially cost.

I assume things like ventilators, at least to the extent they are used for medical care, are subject (normally) to review by the FDA.

I don't know that the FDA operates in a way to determine which design is the best and then declares that the industry standard. I assume for devices like ventilators they have certain standards the device must meet (and I have no idea what those might be) and if your design meets them, then it doesn't really matter what it looks like or what is used to construct it, you're free to enter it into the marketplace. I think that scrutiny might even involve things like looking at manufacturing facilities or labs, which raised some concern when we were about to ask companies like car manufacturers to start manufacturing medical equipment.

One thing that I think we need to keep an eye on in the current times (besides the fact that the current admin overseas the FDA) is that I seem to recall reading some stories where the feds have said that in these emergency conditions products could be brought into the marketplace without going through all of the scrutiny normally applied. In other words, some sort of "fast track" simply because we needed masks and ventilators and so on. I'm not 100% certain about that, but I thought I saw a story about that somewhere, and I suppose that makes a bit of sense if we suddenly start asking Ford motor company or someone to make ventilators.

 

[alfablue]

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I assume things like ventilators, at least to the extent they are used for medical care, are subject (normally) to review by the FDA.

I don't know that the FDA operates in a way to determine which design is the best and then declares that the industry standard. I assume for devices like ventilators they have certain standards the device must meet (and I have no idea what those might be) and if your design meets them, then it doesn't really matter what it looks like or what is used to construct it, you're free to enter it into the marketplace. I think that scrutiny might even involve things like looking at manufacturing facilities or labs, which raised some concern when we were about to ask companies like car manufacturers to start manufacturing medical equipment.

One thing that I think we need to keep an eye on in the current times (besides the fact that the current admin overseas the FDA) is that I seem to recall reading some stories where the feds have said that in these emergency conditions products could be brought into the marketplace without going through all of the scrutiny normally applied. In other words, some sort of "fast track" simply because we needed masks and ventilators and so on. I'm not 100% certain about that, but I thought I saw a story about that somewhere, and I suppose that makes a bit of sense if we suddenly start asking Ford motor company or someone to make ventilators.

The FDA just evaluates if they work correctly or not. Flow, pressure, temp, humidity, safety, etc. Like any other agency, they don't care about the cost and how much effort it takes to assemble. It's like the EPA allowing both for a cheap Hyundai and an expensive Ferrari- they do the same thing in the eyes of the basic requirements.

Someone in the industry would be the ones deciding which design is best that it meets all of the requirements and it the lest cost to make and operate. Some of these designs may only meet the quick requirements for an emergency, but I'm betting that many of them also meet the long term requirements. So will someone be examining all of the designs to determine that we can go forward with a $1000 unit instead of a $10,000 unit?

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Kalkaska has got to be up there in news stories per capita. I swear they get more coverage than Traverse City.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Kalkaska has got to be up there in news stories per capita. I swear they get more coverage than Traverse City.

I can't figure out why there aren't more news stories about Alpena. The whole NE side (everything north of Standish and east of I-75) is our equivalent of "Florida Man".

 

[Jimjamesak]

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Alaska is opening up fully today though there’s still a mandatory two week quarantine for travelers into the state.

Not sure how I feel about this. Our numbers have been pretty steady and dropping (if they’re honest) and if the mandatory travel quarantine works we should be ok.

That said I’m still not going out to eat or anything like that.

 

[state of hockey]

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What do five fingers say to the face?

FREEEEEEDOOOMMM!

- Mankato Karen, probably

 

[dxmnkd316]

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State Fair cancelled

I was so ****ing wrong.

Edit: wow, I just can’t believe the board cancelled it. Rube was right. I could not have been more wrong.

Edit 2: The last time that happened was back in 1946, due to the polio pandemic. And it was reportedly canceled only four times before that — in 1945 due to travel restrictions during World War II, in 1893 because it was up against the World’s Columbian Exposition in Chicago, and in both 1861 and 1862 because of the Civil War and the U.S.-Dakota War.

 

[state of hockey]

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Wow. I figured they'd saddle Walz with 100% of the responsibility. I'm sure he'll still be blamed, of course.

Going with Handy's mafia theory, I wonder what concessions or favors Walz offered to them.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Wow. I figured they'd saddle Walz with 100% of the responsibility. I'm sure he'll still be blamed, of course.

Going with Handy's mafia theory, I wonder what concessions or favors Walz offered to them.

Remember the scene in The Fast and the Furious where they poured motor oil down the one guy’s throat? The same thing except with pronto pup batter.

 

[Handyman]

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Thank god! A month ago I said June 1st they would decide and they actually made the right decision and did it early enough to have value. The question is will the rubes now protest THE STATE FAIR

So as I have said a few times my gf has some relatives that live in Illinois that are...ummm...well lets say on the Trumper Side of Evil. One of the worst ones must have got his meds or something because he went on a rant on Facebook (not unusual) but instead of attacking Liberals he was attacking...TRUMPERS! After the State Rep in Illinois was forced to leave over the mask the Trumpers went nuts. He couldnt handle it anymore and basically said (paraphraising) "Private Business has the right to decide if you wear a mask. Dont like it, go somewhere else and give them your money! And you know what...just wear a mask! You are making them (liberals) look right because you are acting the way they say you are. People are getting sick and dying and if you just wear a mask things can maybe soon get back to normal. The longer you fight the worse this gets". she still cant believe it cause just three weeks ago she wanted to murder him for posting crap about Hydroxycloroquine.

And that story from the bar in Michigan is further proof that Walz is doing the right thing with the small opening. There is a <1% chance that people follow the rules or that bars and restaurants even make an attempt to enforce them...especially smaller ones in medium to smaller cities and towns. People cant be trusted because they have proven they cant think beyond their own risks. They dont play "Six Degrees of Separation" thinking about who can be harmed...they want to be able to drink a High Life with their friends.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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Recall the state fair board!!!

 

[Handyman]

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Wow. I figured they'd saddle Walz with 100% of the responsibility. I'm sure he'll still be blamed, of course.

Going with Handy's mafia theory, I wonder what concessions or favors Walz offered to them.

My guess is they negotiated a partial bailout. Either that or Walz said they would make restrictions so tough it made no sense to open. Hell I bet even Saint Paul was threatening them. You are talking people from all over the country (and world) shoulder to shoulder in sweltering heat and humidity for ten days. Oh lord the lawsuits...

 

[state of hockey]

My guess is they negotiated a partial bailout. Either that or Walz said they would make restrictions so tough it made no sense to open. Hell I bet even Saint Paul was threatening them. You are talking people from all over the country (and world) shoulder to shoulder in sweltering heat and humidity for ten days. Oh lord the lawsuits...

Saint Paul doesn't have a say, do they? I thought the grounds were in Falcon Heights, technically.

Who am I kidding Saint Paul probably has a say regardless.

 

[SJHovey]

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My guess is they negotiated a partial bailout. Either that or Walz said they would make restrictions so tough it made no sense to open. Hell I bet even Saint Paul was threatening them. You are talking people from all over the country (and world) shoulder to shoulder in sweltering heat and humidity for ten days. Oh lord the lawsuits...

I have a buddy who has a concession there. I'll ask him whether they got anything. My guess is no. My guess is the reason they made the decision this early is for people like my friend who had to place his order for supplies by June 15.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I saw one twitter reply that said she was moving to Iowa because they were still having their fair. Lol