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Covfefe 19: now in 3D

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Illinois gov says White House staffer "yelled" at him over tweet blasting federal response to airport crowds <a href="https://t.co/0jrMfRthcV">https://t.co/0jrMfRthcV</a> <a href="https://t.co/6fQCV3jYa7">pic.twitter.com/6fQCV3jYa7</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1239407572035211264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Italy also has a much higher population density than us which at least in theory would make social distancing more difficult for them.
 
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The Rube said:
I did not say should. I said they could, and not be shamed for it. Matter of choice, assuming they weren't a higher risk, etc etc etc.
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This laissez faire attitude makes anyone that does callously go out without precaution - and people like you that support them - complicit.

And Brent yes people can buy groceries online, but a lot of people don't have the luxury. The difference is if they go out for necessities yes there is risk but it's necessary. Going to the bar so idiots can crack jokes and play pull tabs? Eff them.
 
mookie1995 said:
Bailout coming
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I wonder how much of our money the Russian Consulate at Mar-a-Lago will get.

We need to bail out people. Tens of millions just lost their only source of income for the next few weeks/months. Are we just going to let them fail? What happens when they can't pay rent or mortgage? Tough luck? Welcome to homelessness?
 
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I'm still planning to travel on Thursday for a 2 day trip to visit Mayo Clinic. But we've not been out otherwise.

Work has been on wfh since last week.
 
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Italy also has a much higher population density than us which at least in theory would make social distancing more difficult for them.
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The US population density is artificially low because we have vast areas of wilderness. Look at the DC to Boston region. We have areas that are as dense and as populous as Italy.

Americans are also unhealthy.
 
ticapnews said:
I wonder how much of our money the Russian Consulate at Mar-a-Lago will get.

We need to bail out people. Tens of millions just lost their only source of income for the next few weeks/months. Are we just going to let them fail? What happens when they can't pay rent or mortgage? Tough luck? Welcome to homelessness?
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I thought that part was addressed but maybe it was Charlie Baker talking. Can't remember now.
 
BassAle said:
The US population density is artificially low because we have vast areas of wilderness. Look at the DC to Boston region. We have areas that are as dense and as populous as Italy.

Americans are also unhealthy.
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Areas, yes. But we should still have a better chance of overall containment. But that goes back to people doing their part in all this.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
Germany is closing the borders with France, Switzerland and Austria tomorrow morning at 8. Girlfriend is wrapping up her master's thesis in Bordeaux and was supposed to come back to Germany at the end of the month.

She just picked up the rental car, is trying to fit as much stuff as she can and drive 9 hours to get across the border.
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She made it with about two hours to spare. They already had the roadblocks up and ready to go when she entered Germany at 6am. She said there was a long line of cars but it was all flowing openly, just with fewer lanes.
 
aparch said:
That's the most embarrassing part. Where normally the Federal level will provide leadership or even oversight to state level agencies, there was no Federal leadership. "All was well; we got it contained; it will blow over."

Finally state and local agencies decided enough was enough.

Imagine if the Governors and Mayors all said "nah, we'll just let the CDC run this?" :eek:
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We closed the pandemic office in 2018. Good plan.
 
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joecct said:
If you have to work to put food on the table, a cooperative baby sitting service/home schooling may not be ideal, but it may be necessary.

And I betcha the kids are playing together during the past week/end.
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Joe, think of the baybeez!!!!!
 
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The Rube said:
That's the most EFF 'd up thing...this is changing by the hour, it seems like. What was crazy talk this morning is now valid talk. That's how fast all of this is moving.
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Because our administration doddled and treated this like a hoax in the beginning instead of offering leadership, guidance, and planning, this is what we're stuck with now to try to get ahead of it.

Thanks Obama.
 
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https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

President Donald Trump takes questions during a news conference about the coronavirus in the Rose Garden of the White House, Friday, March 13, 2020, in Washington. Vice President Mike Pence, left, and Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, right listen. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus “came out of nowhere” and “blindsided the world.”

They’ve been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administration’s decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.

“It would be nice if the office was still there,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institute of Health, told Congress this week. “I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as a mistake (to eliminate the unit). I would say we worked very well with that office.”


The NSC directorate for global health and security and bio-defense survived the transition from President Barack Obama to Trump in 2017.

Trump’s elimination of the office suggested, along with his proposed budget cuts for the CDC, that he did not see the threat of pandemics in the same way that many experts in the field did.

“One year later I was mystified when the White House dissolved the office, leaving the country less prepared for pandemics like COVID-19,” Beth Cameron, the first director of the unit, wrote in an op-ed Friday in The Washington Post.
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**** Republicans. **** Trump. **** all of them.
 
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The Rube said:
That's what I mean. Most of the population took precautions, did their thing, etc...then "wait, wteff?" Yeah, everything is closed now. Same with the sportsball. Things escalated quickly in the last few days.
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What friggin' fantasy world are you living in? Most of the population didn't do a damm thing except continued "going out to bars and restaurants because they were perfectly healthy and not at risk".

Even the ones who got sick didn't stick to their quarantines. That's how the spread started here in NH, a guy who came back from Italy and was told to self-quarantine went out to a party. Didn't have any symptoms. Perfectly healthy, right? Then he started showing symptoms, and then another guy who attended the party started showing symptoms, and then another guy who knew him.

And that's how pandemics start. You freakin' idiot ****wad.
 
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J.D. said:
It's not even the total # of cases because many people can just battle this thing at home. It comes down to # of cases requiring hospitalization. And again Italy has one of the oldest populations in the world. So not surprisingly they have been hit hard by hospitalizations and ultimately deaths:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-deaths-from-coronavirus-are-so-high-in-italy/

That's why I think comparisons to Italy is not apples to apples. That is not to diminish the elderly/at risk population in the US. It's obviously still a big concern.
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I'm not going to get into a debate over the numbers and stats. Some of what you are saying could be true and some not.

The only number (and question) that really matters right now is will the number that need hospitalization and acute care overwhelm the American healthcare system? And from all indications, and hearing from people inside the industry, that answer is yes. Therefore, just like Italy and Tehran and Wuhan, people will be left to die in the hallways because they can't be treated. And that's all that matters right now.
 
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When Trump was asked on Friday whether closing the NSC global health unit slowed the U.S. response, the president called it a “nasty” question because his administration had acted quickly and saved lives.

“I don’t know anything about it,” Trump said.

Earlier, when asked about it, he said: “This is something that you can never really think is going to happen.”
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Good job, America. Good job.
 
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