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Covfefe-19 2020 part the second: Wash Your Hands

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not sure if this has been posted:

https://time.com/5801726/coronavirus-models-forecast/

you can adjust a slider from "high surveillance and intervention" to "low surveillance and intervention" and it changes the model predictions from ~160,000 infections by April 30 to almost 1.4 million

that's how big of a difference Trumps initial plan to downplay this and avoid widespread testing will make
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The turning point of history has arrived <a href="https://t.co/lrZ5vepP8U">pic.twitter.com/lrZ5vepP8U</a></p>— Karl Sharro (@KarlreMarks) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarlreMarks/status/1238437072593137664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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That seems preposterous

There was an earlier model which used 0.5% fatality rate (so far, the lowest rate anyone is saying this could really be is 0.7%), which is still five times higher than the flu, then factoring in no vaccines and no natural immunity and how fast and easily it spreads, the number of deaths in this model in the U.S. is 480,000.
 
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RE: heat ending this...

We do have a data point for the heat thing- Puerto Rico has confirmed cases. I can't find English newspapers, but my wife saw it in the news last night for local, including her home town of Ponce. Seems as if it spread in a recent salsa festival, which tends to be held outside.

Ramping up the anxiety a lot, with family there.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 2020 part the second: Wash Your Hands

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The turning point of history has arrived <a href="https://t.co/lrZ5vepP8U">pic.twitter.com/lrZ5vepP8U</a></p>— Karl Sharro (@KarlreMarks) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarlreMarks/status/1238437072593137664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don't want people from those $hithole countries.
 
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RE: heat ending this...

We do have a data point for the heat thing- Puerto Rico has confirmed cases. I can't find English newspapers, but my wife saw it in the news last night for local, including her home town of Ponce. Seems as if it spread in a recent salsa festival, which tends to be held outside.

Ramping up the anxiety a lot, with family there.

given the situation in Iran, I wouldn't count on warming weather helping us
 
Re: Covfefe-19 2020 part the second: Wash Your Hands

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The turning point of history has arrived <a href="https://t.co/lrZ5vepP8U">pic.twitter.com/lrZ5vepP8U</a></p>— Karl Sharro (@KarlreMarks) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarlreMarks/status/1238437072593137664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hope that they are not too late, like we were.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 2020 part the second: Wash Your Hands

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The turning point of history has arrived <a href="https://t.co/lrZ5vepP8U">pic.twitter.com/lrZ5vepP8U</a></p>— Karl Sharro (@KarlreMarks) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarlreMarks/status/1238437072593137664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's hot in Africa. And it's still spreading there. Not good for those who are hoping this will take an hiatus in the summer. This sucks.
 
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given the situation in Iran, I wouldn't count on warming weather helping us

Not exactly sure of the timing of their seasons, but Iran may not necessarily be all that warm right now.
 
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Workplace productivity gonna take a major hit across the board during all this. I am all for the social distancing, my concern is with people gobbling up all the supplies from stores.
 
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Workplace productivity gonna take a major hit across the board during all this. I am all for the social distancing, my concern is with people gobbling up all the supplies from stores.

It's a natural reaction for humans when they are faced with a situation they can't control. Kind of throws them off, so they do something like stocking up on toilet paper because that is something that they can control, even though it literally has zero impact on their lives or whether they will get the virus.
 
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I'm not les, and I'm not an expert, but if I had a fever and a cough I would definitely self-quarantine, or if I had direct contact with anyone that might have had it. Even if I had a mild case, I could pass it on to someone that could die from it.

Yeah. Any feeling of sickness and out of an abundance of caution I’ll self-isolate. Same with my fiancée.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 2020 part the second: Wash Your Hands

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The turning point of history has arrived <a href="https://t.co/lrZ5vepP8U">pic.twitter.com/lrZ5vepP8U</a></p>— Karl Sharro (@KarlreMarks) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarlreMarks/status/1238437072593137664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The world would have been a much better place had they done this starting in the 16th century.
 
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You're describing my own situation right now. Have had cold symptoms for about a week. No fever at any time just stuffy nose, sore throat, breathing felt a little different, bit of a cough last night. Haven't coughed this morning but just laying here in bed. Supposed to go see dr this afternoon. But should I even do that? My thought is I don't wanna shrug it off when pneumonia is a possibility. My sister thinks it's flu b but considering I am laying here in no significant pain do they want me coming in? At the same time I want to stay ahead of it the best I can.

Work from home if you can. For at least two weeks after symptoms subside. Many studies are coming out that you can still shed fairly significant amounts of the virus up to 6-8 weeks after symptoms subside. Other people test negative in significantly less than that.

Your best bet is to treat the cold like covid, manage symptoms at home, if you need to seek escalated care due to worsening symptoms, do so. If it’s the cold, no big deal. Worst case is you’ve prevented someone from the stress and anxiety of getting sick during this outbreak possibly saving medical resources like testing or time at the doctors potentially exposing them to someone else. Best case? You don’t infect someone you love who dies.

Just remember this is no longer about you or me, it’s about us. We all have to fight this. We don’t want a nationwide lockdown like Italy. The only way to avoid that is lean heavily and enthusiastically into the most cautious approach.

I know that means you and I will be inconvenienced. It sucks. But just remember, when people like me get a cold (just a cold, not the flu, not covid) I am laid up in bed with breathing problems because I have asthma. This virus scares the ever living **** out of me. And if we get to a wartime triage situation where ventilators are given only to healthy, young people without preexisitng conditions like asthma and I’m denied one if I need it, I likely die.

That’s why this is scary. Because we only have 65,000 ventilators. For everyone in the nation. That’s about the enrollment at the University of Minnesota. That’s a moderately sized city in Minnesota. That’s smaller than Nebraska’s average football attendance the last 30 years.

I’m guessing you’re under 40-50. Neither of us has ever lived through anything like this. Not since Hong Kong Flu, though, that’s probably a term that’s going to fall out of favor soon. So 1968* Flu Pandemic. That killed about a million people and had an estimated CFR of only 0.5%. Less than 1/6th that of our best guesses. Most nations with early and very aggressive responses with widespread testing converge to around 0.5-1.0% CFR. Nations that don’t roll out aggressive testing are all converting between 3-5%. We have not only not a slow roll out, we have literally stopped testing so the numbers don’t seem that bad. No other nation, maybe Iran, has done that. Iran is now digging mass graves and forcing families to watch their loved ones buried from 100m away.

Think of it like a Cat 2 hurricane. (That was its pandemic severity index.) This one is playing out like a Cat 5 maybe Cat 4. Even if it’s a Cat 3, it’s still going to be really really bad. Unlike anything you or I have seen. I think that calls for a different kind of approach.
 
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Put it this way, we’re going to have a recession. There are two scenarios:

1. We fight this like the South Koreans and beat it back within 1-2 months. Probably a small recession which we can recover quickly.
2. We don’t. A million people die in the US. Total lockdown, maybe for months. Factories shut down. People get laid off en masse across the board. We have a recession more like 07-08. Maybe worse.
 
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