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cost vs benefit

Re: cost vs benefit

Whatever dude.... It does not cost one.single.cent.more to let some random guy sit in a classroom. In general college costs are unjustifiable. To come here and ask "if anyone has undertaken a study" is folly. Makes me wonder if in fact YOU are not some administrative nutcase! You certainly follow the company line.

(Emphasis mine)

I find it ironic that you claim someone else is following some ideological stereotype and use that against them, when by those same criteria you're as blatantly jaded - some might call you a 'pot-smoking smelly hippy whose home is about to be raided by the FBI because you've been attending anti-war protests and may be a terrorist.'

ANYWAY, that nonsense aside: please, for your sake, for the sake of your loved ones, and for the sake of any creditors you will have, never, NEVER open a business. At least, make sure you've closed shop before the end of the Obama administration. You'll find that your philosophy of 'well, the resources are already paid for and in place, it doesn't cost anything to let a few people use them for free because at this point they're free' won't get you far. In other words: yes, letting some random person sit in on classes has a tangible cost. It uses faculty and TA time, affects the class size and grade statistics for the school which can lead to lost prospective students, and many other factors down the line - and that's ignoring the big kahuna, the fact that they could fill that seat with anyone else and make thousands. That's called 'opportunity cost,' for you liberal arts majors.


Moving on to this group as a whole. Yes, osorojo has a checkered past. But you all are just a bunch of childish *******s. For once he comes up with a valid question, not phrased in an incendiary manner to anyone, and it's a very pertinent point it today's discussions of the BTHC and how schools will afford to keep teams around. So, what it comes down to, is grow up children, you try to be funny, but don't feel to good about it - that's just narcissism and herd mentality. I only lament you aren't lemmings. Maybe you are, there's just no cliffs nearby.


Finally, to address your question directly, osorojo. I don't know of any study done. But if I can address your reasoning thus far, if I understand correctly:

You claim that a scholarship to a hockey player represents a fixed cost to the university - the value of the scholarship, X. As the player plays, I guess the assumption would go that he is responsible for some portion of the money the school takes in for tickets, concessions, merch, whatever, which I'll call Y. You're wondering whether or not a player who leaves early makes the inequality Y > X true.

The big thing I see there is the assumption that X is indeed a fixed cost. If a player leaves after two years of a four year scholarship, ostensibly he's no longer costing the university his space in the classroom, which then for two years they can sell and make money on. Then the question is if Y > (X/n) is true.
 
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Why do people bold parts of someone else's post and then say emphasis mine? Well no crap, you bolded it. Who's else emphasis would it be? Santa Claus'?
 
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Re: cost vs benefit

(Emphasis mine)

I find it ironic that you claim someone else is following some ideological stereotype and use that against them, when by those same criteria you're as blatantly jaded - some might call you a 'pot-smoking smelly hippy whose home is about to be raided by the FBI because you've been attending anti-war protests and may be a terrorist.'

ANYWAY, that nonsense aside: please, for your sake, for the sake of your loved ones, and for the sake of any creditors you will have, never, NEVER open a business. At least, make sure you've closed shop before the end of the Obama administration. You'll find that your philosophy of 'well, the resources are already paid for and in place, it doesn't cost anything to let a few people use them for free because at this point they're free' won't get you far. In other words: yes, letting some random person sit in on classes has a tangible cost. It uses faculty and TA time, affects the class size and grade statistics for the school which can lead to lost prospective students, and many other factors down the line - and that's ignoring the big kahuna, the fact that they could fill that seat with anyone else and make thousands. That's called 'opportunity cost,' for you liberal arts majors.

(emphasis yours)

i believe i brought that point into play... it's overpriced. the price charged has no logical backing. it's high, well because everyone else is high. "faculty time"... "TA time"....???

want their time to be useful?? have them come clean my garage!!!

"lost prospective students"?? lower costs to be competitive.

"grade statistics". hahahahaha

"opportunity cost"?!?!!? how 'bout 'sunk cost'. wasted barrels of money that will never be recovered. may as well go to vegas and bet "19"

those who can do, those who can't teach. and that counts just as well for $50,000/year colleges and it does for public grade schools. one, if motivated, can learn anything they want in a variety of ways. online, at home, in the university of phoenix, works just as well as any classroom. sure, if i want a doctor i would prefer someone with hands on training in a teaching hospital... but mr accountant/lawyer/liberal arts yahoo can learn the basics of what they need to know, then go off into the workplace and develop their life's work.

talk business with a business. university 'business' is grossly subsidized and funded with free money - yet they continue to raise prices for no reason. no real business gets to operate under similar circumstances.
 
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Why do people bold parts of someone else's post and then say emphasis mine? Well no crap, you bolded it. Who's else emphasis would it be? Santa Claus'?

Well, I'm certainly sorry that the nuances of social formality annoy you. I don't mean to insult your intelligence. You do, on occasion, run across someone stupid enough to not realize why you've bolded a section of what they wrote, and go on to claim that you're bolding it to try to make them look bad by representing it as their emphasis.

Runninwiththedogs said:
I automatically ignore anyone who uses either "ostensibly" or "solipsistic" in a post. Were you underpraised as a youth?

I don't know whether I should laugh at this or be shocked that you (ostensibly) actually try to classify people by the language they use and ignore them for it. Perhaps from now on I'll just choose to ignore people who object to using precise language, you know, just attribute their angst to left-over feelings of being overshadowed by siblings or peers as a youth.
 
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What word defines the social formality of an innernet forum?

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
 
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(emphasis yours)

i believe i brought that point into play... it's overpriced. the price charged has no logical backing. it's high, well because everyone else is high. "faculty time"... "TA time"....???

Believing that education is overpriced is not the same as claiming that it costs the school nothing and should be free. I'm not sure where you're going with this one.

"lost prospective students"?? lower costs to be competitive.

"grade statistics". hahahahaha

Competition in academia has little to do with cost. Not that cost competition makes any sense at all given that you claim all schools hold the cost artificially high.

And believe it or not, people are willing to pay more to go to a school that they think they will get more out of. Things like attrition rates and grades make a difference.

"opportunity cost"?!?!!? how 'bout 'sunk cost'. wasted barrels of money that will never be recovered. may as well go to vegas and bet "19"

Well, while you tend to paint in overly broad strokes, there is a salient point here. Not everything requires a college education. Many things don't. I think that's why you see so many complaints anymore about young people struggling to pay off school loans. It's not because the cost has gone up, because it certainly has; it's because we're sending more and more people to college who study something they can't make a solid career out of or for whom the benefits of the degree will not pay for the cost of the degree.

This isn't empirically true, however. Technical fields in particular require some more education. It can go overboard at times.

those who can do, those who can't teach. and that counts just as well for $50,000/year colleges and it does for public grade schools. one, if motivated, can learn anything they want in a variety of ways. online, at home, in the university of phoenix, works just as well as any classroom. sure, if i want a doctor i would prefer someone with hands on training in a teaching hospital... but mr accountant/lawyer/liberal arts yahoo can learn the basics of what they need to know, then go off into the workplace and develop their life's work.

In some cases this is true. It isn't the case for all, though. Businesses also wouldn't like this much, because even if it is a low standard, a degree is a standard. If everyone is self-taught (and I think you'd find that many people wouldn't have the motivation to self-teach), the businesses hiring take a bigger risk. Plus, if you expect that most of your career learning happens on the job, businesses will have to account for the more extensive training they'll have to give to many new employees - which would likely mean wages go down.

talk business with a business. university 'business' is grossly subsidized and funded with free money - yet they continue to raise prices for no reason. no real business gets to operate under similar circumstances.

Well, your unsubstantiated conspiracy theories aside, you do raise a good point. There certainly needs to be more transparency with public schools, their costs and their pricing. And the textbook industry.
 
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God dammit!! Who let the retard out of his cage?

Osorojo reminds me of a dog that has an itchy ******* so he drags his *** on the carpet.
 
Re: cost vs benefit

College administrators are certainly responsible for determining the expense and academic benefit of a one year versus a four year academic scholarship. College administrators by all rights should be equally responsible for determining the expense and athletic benefit of a one year versus a four year athletic scholarship.
 
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