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Coronavirus

Offsides Guy said:
The other reality is no one knows yet if getting and surviving COVID gives you any lengthy immunity. I actually just had an antibodies test because I was sick with all the symptoms back in late December (test results not in yet) and my doctor made a point of telling me a positive test does not mean anything relating to immunity. She said people are studying this but, unfortunately, a positive antibodies test today does not mean I can relax things like social distancing, face covering, etc.

My hope is the experts can determine this by the start of the school year so they could test players and ID who on the team has immunity.
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My son just got good news from Montana State. Fall semester now runs Aug 17 to Thanksgiving then the students are off until Jan 10 when 2nd semester will start. Evidently the school is trying to avoid the heart of flu season and possibly the 2nd COVID season. I’m keeping my eyes out for other schools doing this as well. Bad news is Harvard Med School has announced Fall semester will be online.

I’m gonna focus on the positive! :)
 
Offsides Guy said:
My son just got good news from Montana State. Fall semester now runs Aug 17 to Thanksgiving then the students are off until Jan 10 when 2nd semester will start. Evidently the school is trying to avoid the heart of flu season and possibly the 2nd COVID season. I’m keeping my eyes out for other schools doing this as well. Bad news is Harvard Med School has announced Fall semester will be online.

I’m gonna focus on the positive! :)
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Interesting on Montana State and Harvard.


Oh Nooo. Bowling Green just dropped baseball, following Akron who dropped three sports.
 
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Offsides Guy said:
And the WI Supreme Court overruled their Gov's Stay-At-Home order and within hours several bars around the state were busy again with few safety/health adjustments. Tells me the Badgers will play, not worry about sanitizing anything and will fly commercial to all their games even when they could take a bus. Anyone tries to restrict them will simply be taken to court and overruled. Let the paint thinner flow! LOL!
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Legally, the basis for the Court's ruling is nowhere near that 'sweeping'; politically, maybe more so, but Gov Evers was already moving in the "open things carefully" direction anyway.

Gov Evers and the State Health Officer have issued a number of "Stay at Home" type orders, with two or three 'major' ones. The first such order issued by the State Health Officer was preceded immediately by a "state of emergency" order from Evers, and it specifically referenced the Evers emergency order (the Health Officer is authorized to take the actions contained in the "Stay at Home" order by the fact of the "state of emergency" order). And the Court had and has no problem with that order, but it expired some time in April. The second such "Stay at Home" order, which was largely a time extension of the first order, did not *explicitly* refer to the Evers "state of emergency" order the way the first had, even though that "state of emergency" order remains in effect. And because of that, the Court ruled that the second order is not in fact an "order", but is rather a "rule". And because it is a "rule", there have to have been public hearings, and the legislature gets a say, etc etc.

Really. That's it. That's the basis of them striking down the order. Really!

Nothing about "constitutionality" or "governmental tyranny" or any such thing. In the middle of an effing pandemic, the majority on the Court is playing "Simon Says". Seriously! "You didn't say 'Evers says' so you lose the game."

I'm pretty sure that if they wanted to, Evers and the Health Officer could essentially re-issue the order with the "proper" references to the "state of emergency", and the Court would be OK with it (or they'd have to find some other absurd BS "reason" to knock it down). And if things go badly after the "re-opening" we might see that happen. But not right now.

(Note also that the Court's vote was 4-3, and that one of the conservative majority lost his re-election last month, and will be replaced by a more liberal justice on July 1 (I think). So 'next time', it might well be 4-3 the other way.)

You can probably tell I am HIGHLY annoyed by what the Court did here.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
That's a good point. I didn't think of the unintended consequences. Especially since there will be a mass of redshirt exceptions.
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It’s good that hockey isn’t granting another year of eligibility b/c it’s causing all sorts of problems in spring sports like lacrosse. Imagine the situation: seniors can play an additional year, but maybe not at their current school (Ivies and some other small schools aren’t allowing a 5th year) so the transfer portal blows up with 5th year seniors trying to land spots on other teams, which causes a ripple effect for the younger players who have now moved down the depth chart. So now some younger players also enter the portal or are really unsure of where they stand. Or, a school is allowed to keep seniors for a 5th year and decides to keep a bunch of their seniors, or recruits 5th years from other programs, but doesn’t have the budget for an expanded roster (very few do these days) so current sophomore or juniors are cut or scholarships are taken away (happening at some schools). Incoming freshmen aren’t cut because most have signed an NLI but they are definitely lower on the depth chart, possibly for more than one season because it’s not just this year’s seniors who have the possible extra year of eligibility, but every player on the team. The schools with huge athletic budgets and top ranked teams are just getting bigger and better while the smaller schools are missing out. Imagine if UW, OSU & MN could keep their seniors for another year and/or take seniors who graduated from Yale, Princeton, Cornell, etc., but Colgate, Northeastern and BU couldn’t. Bye bye parity in women’s hockey. That’s exactly what’s happening in lacrosse.
 
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robertearle said:
(Note also that the Court's vote was 4-3, and that one of the conservative majority lost his re-election last month, and will be replaced by a more liberal justice on July 1 (I think). So 'next time', it might well be 4-3 the other way.)
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It seems to me that when it comes to governmental "orders" relating to the pandemic that dictate what the people are allowed (or forbidden) to do, the usual definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" are now reversed. More of the traditionally "red" conservative states have been quicker to "open up" their economies, while most of the "blue" liberal states have extended their lockdowns while taking a more "conservative" approach, dictating what is permissible, or not..

On the 10:00pm news here in the Twin Cities, which is just a stones throw away from the Wisconsin border, they've shown the packed Wisconsin bars, full of young people gulping down their thinner in close proximity to one another, having fun just like normal times. Does this make those revelers "conservative" according to the broader definition nationally that argues that we should open up the economy on a more aggressive timetable?

No matter what the latest government edict may or may not be, I think it's up to each individual to decide how much "risk" he or she will smartly take, given each circumstance. As we "open up", no matter what the latest governmental pronouncement might be, there will be situations where we will inevitably be called upon to use our best judgement. Sadly, those young Wisconsin revelers crowding up to the bar and hugging one another were completely oblivious to that notion.
 
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Reddington said:
That's always the counter, but the context is on kids returning to college, not opening a college infirmary in a nursing home.
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It varies from school to school, but for a state university in a large city, up to a 1/4 of the students might live at home. People who are ~ 20 yrs old often have grandparents who are in their 70s or 80s, and some of them live with their children. Something like this pandemic has impact beyond those directly affected by a decision. POTUS has said that he'd like K-12 to reopen because adolescents and teens do very well in surviving COVID-19. Yes, but they're also very efficient at spreading communicable illnesses from house to house.

One could make an argument that, eventually, everyone is going to be exposed to this, so let's just get it over with. Nobody in power is coming out and saying exactly that, but the actions of some of them seem to indicate as much. If life was fair, a few of those seniors sacrificed to get life "back to normal" would be those who are guided by their polling numbers far more than the scientific data.
 
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About 1/3 of all deaths are from nursing homes.

Among 3,734 hospitalized adults with information on underlying medical conditions, 91.7% had at least one reported underlying medical condition, the most commonly reported were hypertension, obesity, chronic metabolic disease, and cardiovascular disease.

Within the 18-49 years and ≥ 65 years age groups, the hospitalization rates increased with increasing age.

Age Group for hospitalizations:
Cumulative Rate per 100,000
Population Overall 60.5
0-4 years 3.0
5-17 years 1.4
18-29 years 15.4
30-39 years 32.0
40-49 years 55.6
50-64 years 94.4
65-74 years 141.2
75-84 years 232.0
85+ years 352.0
 
vicb said:
Not sure if this link has been posted before. Too lazy to look back.

http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/core-principles-resocialization-collegiate-sport
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After reading the above, holy mackerel on the amount of hoops that will have to be jumped through in order to have sports.

Scholarships are year to year unless you are Big Ten which is for four years. This could get ugly in a hurry. I know of a player at the D 3 level last year who got hurt over the summer and was told to stay home as they had no money for her this past year and come back in a year.
 
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Notre Dame announced that students will return to campus August 10th or thereabouts. San Diego State, despite the statements of the Cal State President, said that it intends to have football this fall. Gov. Grusome in Cal, caving in since the horses are leaving the barn anyway, has said that pro sports can start at the beginning of June without fans and counties are getting ready to start youth sports again. All of this leads me to believe that more likely than not, assuming no catastrophic explosion of cases, most schools and sports will start in the fall in one form or another. Crossed fingers.
 
Rightnut said:
Notre Dame announced that students will return to campus August 10th or thereabouts. San Diego State, despite the statements of the Cal State President, said that it intends to have football this fall. Gov. Grusome in Cal, caving in since the horses are leaving the barn anyway, has said that pro sports can start at the beginning of June without fans and counties are getting ready to start youth sports again. All of this leads me to believe that more likely than not, assuming no catastrophic explosion of cases, most schools and sports will start in the fall in one form or another. Crossed fingers.
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First the good news (assuming you want hockey): The Belmont Stakes are on without fans June 20th. Northern Michigan will be open for the summer including restaurants and bars. The Same with Put-in Bay. University of Southern Maine is bringing kids back in the third week of August. Virginia opened the Beaches for this weekend after restrictions last weekend were all but ignored.

Now the bad news: Ithaca College says they are returning for the fall on Oct 5. Hmmmm.
Colgate and Cornell are in that vicinity.

The Canadian border is closed to at least June 21.
 
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Now we know why Northern Michigan is open plus boating...the governor has a second home and a boat. The Gov's husband called a boat company and said he was the Gov's husband and wanted to go-to the front of the line and they said you can goto the end of the line since we are three weeks behind because of the lockdown.
 
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Memorial Day weekend. Funny how all those guys are still so young in my memories, even Vincent Charlie. For those of you who have not been in a war zone, this is not a bad approximation. You know you will probably die, just not when or how. The next person you see – if you see him - might be the one who carries your death, and there is no place to hide with no end in sight. Watching the mobs on the beaches, in the parks, and in the bars doesn’t show me anyone whom I would have at my back. No problem, though. They have all volunteered to walk point and Charlie Vincent will sort them out for me.

Timothy A said:
Among 3,734 hospitalized adults with information on underlying medical conditions, 91.7% had at least one reported underlying medical condition, the most commonly reported were hypertension, obesity, chronic metabolic disease, and cardiovascular disease. .
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Tim, I’m sure you realize that the only age group with any testing at all for “underlying conditions” is seniors. Generally, no one gets tested until they have a BHE (bad health event, my term), and so no one has any idea how long the condition has existed. Twenty years ago, during a BHE, my wife discovered she had celiac sprue. Did that just kick in when she hit 50? Of course not. She can look back at events in her life that were obvious signs of the disease, but she was never tested for it. Ten years ago, during another BHE, she discovered she has heart disease. Again, she is able to look back at events from even her early life and realize that they were signs of the disease. When you think about it, how often does a baby go to sleep and never wake up, or a kid drop dead playing a sport? When your doctor describes these as rare, she’s not saying the disease is rare (they don’t know without testing), only that deaths attributable to the disease are rare. Those people thinking they are immune to dying from Charlie Vincent because of their age are just whistling in the dark. I hope they are correct, but I don’t believe it. In fact, you can determine what doctors think by watching what they do. The fact that they are taking extraordinary steps to keep their family members of all ages from getting CV tells you all you need to know.

Stay safe and enjoy your family!
 
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Love the Charlie Vincent information. I was watching Santa Anita Horsetrack today for one race and the Track Personnel are quarantining together. I'm interested in seeing how the model works and maybe other sports can copy it if it goes okay.
 
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