The school doesn't control if students attend...all ASU can do is open,will be an interesting fall term across the country...personally, if our kids' schools are going to open with social distancing,mostly remote learning with some hybrid class offerings,paying full price for the semester(tuition,dorm meal,etc...) seems a waste..I do pity the seniors who are now trying to enter the work place..
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Coronavirus
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The school doesn't control if students attend...all ASU can do is open,will be an interesting fall term across the country...personally, if our kids' schools are going to open with social distancing,mostly remote learning with some hybrid class offerings,paying full price for the semester(tuition,dorm meal,etc...) seems a waste..I do pity the seniors who are now trying to enter the work place..
Reddington
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Hmmm. After spending March to August with the parents at home in quarantine or kids taking a chance and going back to school even with social distancing ....
Yes, it is unfortunate for the Seniors, who now maybe at home even longer.
Offsides Guy
Active member
Re: Coronavirus
They're leaving wiggle room to be able to still have sports in some fashion. https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ity-announcement-college-football/3121272001/
They're leaving wiggle room to be able to still have sports in some fashion. https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ity-announcement-college-football/3121272001/
Re: Coronavirus
I probably should have put that at the end of my statement! Thank you for teeing that up. Gotta shake things up a bit. But its bad in California. Gov. Grewsome said that counties can't get to the next stage of reopening (dine in restaurants etc) until a county has 14 days in a row of no Covid deaths. That may never happen. Ever. They keep moving the goalposts. The original excuse was to "flatten the curve" to allow hospitals to ramp up. Well, they did. Now they are ramping down and some are going out of business. Then it was until we have a vaccine. Recently it is until we have multiple vaccines and those may not even work. Then there is the testing and tracing. Well, there is plenty of testing capability but no one uses it.
For those Cal State sports programs (and any schools that don't reopen or have sports) the transfer portal will fill up fast as players move to schools that are open and playing. It could decimate sports programs at those schools that don't open.
More specifically for us on this site, women's hockey, I would venture to guess that many if not most women's hockey college students in the north east, especially in the New York region, have already had it based on the people I know.
What they should do is test all of the players for antibodies. There likely is herd immunity already in that confined group.
Alright group... Let him (or her) have it!
I probably should have put that at the end of my statement! Thank you for teeing that up. Gotta shake things up a bit. But its bad in California. Gov. Grewsome said that counties can't get to the next stage of reopening (dine in restaurants etc) until a county has 14 days in a row of no Covid deaths. That may never happen. Ever. They keep moving the goalposts. The original excuse was to "flatten the curve" to allow hospitals to ramp up. Well, they did. Now they are ramping down and some are going out of business. Then it was until we have a vaccine. Recently it is until we have multiple vaccines and those may not even work. Then there is the testing and tracing. Well, there is plenty of testing capability but no one uses it.
For those Cal State sports programs (and any schools that don't reopen or have sports) the transfer portal will fill up fast as players move to schools that are open and playing. It could decimate sports programs at those schools that don't open.
More specifically for us on this site, women's hockey, I would venture to guess that many if not most women's hockey college students in the north east, especially in the New York region, have already had it based on the people I know.
What they should do is test all of the players for antibodies. There likely is herd immunity already in that confined group.
robertearle
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Re: Coronavirus
Arizona, not ASU.
What Dr. Robbins said:
"I am pleased to publicly announce today our intention to return to in-person classes at the University of Arizona for the fall semester. We will honor all local, state and federal protective measures that apply, and, of course, there are many factors that remain beyond our control. However, we are tackling what is within our control to ensure our students have the opportunity for a full on-campus experience.
"We have launched antibody testing for the county and will soon begin antibody testing 250,000 health care workers and first responders for the state of Arizona in partnership with the Governor’s Office. Next, we will test our own students, faculty and staff. We are expanding our diagnostic testing capability for COVID-19 infection. In short, we are working with local and national experts to create best-in-class strategies to reopen the campus.
"Our plan is to Test, Trace and Treat to present our campus community a flexible and adaptive teaching and learning environment."
Arizona, not ASU.
What Dr. Robbins said:
"I am pleased to publicly announce today our intention to return to in-person classes at the University of Arizona for the fall semester. We will honor all local, state and federal protective measures that apply, and, of course, there are many factors that remain beyond our control. However, we are tackling what is within our control to ensure our students have the opportunity for a full on-campus experience.
"We have launched antibody testing for the county and will soon begin antibody testing 250,000 health care workers and first responders for the state of Arizona in partnership with the Governor’s Office. Next, we will test our own students, faculty and staff. We are expanding our diagnostic testing capability for COVID-19 infection. In short, we are working with local and national experts to create best-in-class strategies to reopen the campus.
"Our plan is to Test, Trace and Treat to present our campus community a flexible and adaptive teaching and learning environment."
Re: Coronavirus
This should help everyone.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...this-month/ar-BB141YcO?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
This should help everyone.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...this-month/ar-BB141YcO?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Coronavirus
Instead of deaths, how about percent of tests that are positive? That will tell us if the spread is lessening. Number of deaths tell us nothing.
Instead of deaths, how about percent of tests that are positive? That will tell us if the spread is lessening. Number of deaths tell us nothing.
robertearle
Well-known member
Re: Coronavirus
Just so people understand what tests do what: the test in that article (if I am reading it correctly) only tests for the 'long term' IgG antibody. IgG antibodies form days or even weeks after symptoms appear; 7 to 10 days after symptoms, meaning maybe as long as two weeks after infection. It does not test for IgM antibodies, which form more quickly. And neither type of antibodies form - at least to any detectable level - during the critical first few days when a person is pre-symptomatic but can still be infecting others. To know that, you have to take the RNA detecting "swab test", and that (unless you work at the White House, apparently) can take days to get results.
So, if the idea is to find out which players had COVID weeks and months ago (and are presumably now carrying some level of immunity), an IgG antibody test is fine. But if you want to know what players are infected right now and are a risk to spreading the virus to other players or the other team, the RNA swab test is necessary.
(And, as I have said before, until there is a plan as to what to do when a player tests positive for active COVID two days before a game, I am not at all optimistic about 'sports' being played in any meaningful way.)
Just so people understand what tests do what: the test in that article (if I am reading it correctly) only tests for the 'long term' IgG antibody. IgG antibodies form days or even weeks after symptoms appear; 7 to 10 days after symptoms, meaning maybe as long as two weeks after infection. It does not test for IgM antibodies, which form more quickly. And neither type of antibodies form - at least to any detectable level - during the critical first few days when a person is pre-symptomatic but can still be infecting others. To know that, you have to take the RNA detecting "swab test", and that (unless you work at the White House, apparently) can take days to get results.
So, if the idea is to find out which players had COVID weeks and months ago (and are presumably now carrying some level of immunity), an IgG antibody test is fine. But if you want to know what players are infected right now and are a risk to spreading the virus to other players or the other team, the RNA swab test is necessary.
(And, as I have said before, until there is a plan as to what to do when a player tests positive for active COVID two days before a game, I am not at all optimistic about 'sports' being played in any meaningful way.)
robertearle
Well-known member
Re: Coronavirus
All the different numbers - new cases, active cases, number hospitalized, test rates - tell you something; no one number tells you everything you want and need to know.
All the different numbers - new cases, active cases, number hospitalized, test rates - tell you something; no one number tells you everything you want and need to know.
Offsides Guy
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Re: Coronavirus
The other reality is no one knows yet if getting and surviving COVID gives you any lengthy immunity. I actually just had an antibodies test because I was sick with all the symptoms back in late December (test results not in yet) and my doctor made a point of telling me a positive test does not mean anything relating to immunity. She said people are studying this but, unfortunately, a positive antibodies test today does not mean I can relax things like social distancing, face covering, etc.
My hope is the experts can determine this by the start of the school year so they could test players and ID who on the team has immunity.
The other reality is no one knows yet if getting and surviving COVID gives you any lengthy immunity. I actually just had an antibodies test because I was sick with all the symptoms back in late December (test results not in yet) and my doctor made a point of telling me a positive test does not mean anything relating to immunity. She said people are studying this but, unfortunately, a positive antibodies test today does not mean I can relax things like social distancing, face covering, etc.
My hope is the experts can determine this by the start of the school year so they could test players and ID who on the team has immunity.
A study came out of BU last week confirming that antibodies give immunity at least in the short term. Since this hasn’t been around long enough to know anything long term, that’s about as good as we will get.
robertearle
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Re: Coronavirus
There were studies done on people who had been infected with SARS that showed their antibodies remained measureable for 12 or 18 or 24 months (I don't recall exactly, but on that order). SARS was caused by a similar coronavirus, so it is reasonable to assume that COVID antibodies will be around for a similar time period.
There were studies done on people who had been infected with SARS that showed their antibodies remained measureable for 12 or 18 or 24 months (I don't recall exactly, but on that order). SARS was caused by a similar coronavirus, so it is reasonable to assume that COVID antibodies will be around for a similar time period.
Offsides Guy
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EMPTYNETTER
New member
Re: Coronavirus
Good News...I think we will start to see more schools following this path in the coming weeks.
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/...rn-announces-plan-to-bring-students-back.html
Good News...I think we will start to see more schools following this path in the coming weeks.
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/...rn-announces-plan-to-bring-students-back.html
FiveHoleFrenzy
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Re: Coronavirus
Clear and critical thinking needed...You're spidey senses should be tingling.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
Clear and critical thinking needed...You're spidey senses should be tingling.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
Reddington
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Re: Coronavirus
Jersey Shore is opening for Memorial Day Weekend. As I say even Democrats have beach houses. I'll take that as a positive. Both Dems and Republicans have college aged kids and lots of Dems work at Universities. How far will Governors take this? The Jersey Gov blinked which I think is a good sign for college sports.
Jersey Shore is opening for Memorial Day Weekend. As I say even Democrats have beach houses. I'll take that as a positive. Both Dems and Republicans have college aged kids and lots of Dems work at Universities. How far will Governors take this? The Jersey Gov blinked which I think is a good sign for college sports.
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Re: Coronavirus
Your post seems to imply this is all about politics.
But actually it is possible that the virus itself might have something to say about what is happening during the next school year.
Your post seems to imply this is all about politics.
But actually it is possible that the virus itself might have something to say about what is happening during the next school year.
Offsides Guy
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Re: Coronavirus
And the WI Supreme Court overruled their Gov's Stay-At-Home order and within hours several bars around the state were busy again with few safety/health adjustments. Tells me the Badgers will play, not worry about sanitizing anything and will fly commercial to all their games even when they could take a bus. Anyone tries to restrict them will simply be taken to court and overruled. Let the paint thinner flow! LOL!
And the WI Supreme Court overruled their Gov's Stay-At-Home order and within hours several bars around the state were busy again with few safety/health adjustments. Tells me the Badgers will play, not worry about sanitizing anything and will fly commercial to all their games even when they could take a bus. Anyone tries to restrict them will simply be taken to court and overruled. Let the paint thinner flow! LOL!
Reddington
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I said a month ago look to the Eastern Seaboard beaches as an indicator on college football. If the Beaches are not open, there would definitely not be college football.
And I will say it again, if there is no college football, there will be no sports. My view on this has nothing really to do with politics.
On another note, I would be interested in seeing data from Spring Breakers and Mardi Gras participants between 17-25 on fatality rate and etc from the virus.