Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

[Handyman]

This sounds familiar...
Man suffers "medical emergency" after cops kneel on his back for several minutes.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...same-manner-they-killed-george-floyd/2529629/

So multiple officers cant apprehend a man sitting in a park drinking a beer without killing him? Even if he struggled and fought them off there is friggin 3 of them this isnt exactly rocket science. Even if their actions are found to be "legal" they should be fired for being fucking terrible at their fucking jobs.

 

[Kepler]

So multiple officers cant apprehend a man sitting in a park drinking a beer without killing him? Even if he struggled and fought them off there is friggin 3 of them this isnt exactly rocket science. Even if their actions are found to be "legal" they should be fired for being fucking terrible at their fucking jobs.

They feared for their lives.

Cops are very fragile.

The only way to stop this is to sue the departments into oblivion. When cities and states start paying out billions for every person they murder, even white taxpayers will say, "OK, well, now this has gotta stop."

 

[rufus]

So multiple officers cant apprehend a man sitting in a park drinking a beer without killing him?

Sure they can. Ask Springsteen.

 

[SonofSouthie]

DOJ looking to indict 4 little piggies.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/us/derek-chauvin-minneapolis-officers-federal-indictment/index.html

 

[Handyman]

They feared for their lives.

Cops are very fragile.

The only way to stop this is to sue the departments into oblivion. When cities and states start paying out billions for every person they murder, even white taxpayers will say, "OK, well, now this has gotta stop."

No...the way to stop it is for the cops to be held accountable. They already do sue to oblivion and it changes nothing since the departments never actually pay the bill. (you and I do) Sue the cops, and make them pay. Sue the departments and have it come out of their budgets. Dont screw over the taxpayer while letting the cops off the hook.

Oh AND CHARGE THE COPS!

 

[Kepler]

No...the way to stop it is for the cops to be held accountable. They already do sue to oblivion and it changes nothing since the departments never actually pay the bill. (you and I do) Sue the cops, and make them pay. Sue the departments and have it come out of their budgets. Dont screw over the taxpayer while letting the cops off the hook.

Oh AND CHARGE THE COPS!

The point is to put the pressure on people like you and me. We are the ones in control, ultimately. The reason police departments are still manned by right wing apes playing with their penile enhancers is the same reason there is poverty and homelessness and political corruption and pollution: not enough people like you and me vote to end them because they don't care.

Make them care.

Make it PAINFUL for fat, dumb, selfish conservative and moderate suburbanites to not care and blissfully vote R for low taxes. Bring the pain to them.

I agree (grudgingly) with those who oppose looting and arson as a way of driving up the price tag of political neglect. I have learned from 1/6 that harms more than it hurts. But bankrupting the cities and states that don't reform their death squads? Bring it on! I want every tax payer in every city and state with an uncontrolled police force to be paying 100% of their taxes to legal penalties until they finally learn and stop voting for Nazis.

As far as charging the cops goes, yes, indict them for murder and put them on death row. Absolutely. Give them every chance they gave Floyd.

 

[SJHovey]

The point is to put the pressure on people like you and me. We are the ones in control, ultimately. The reason police departments are still manned by right wing apes playing with their penile enhancers is the same reason there is poverty and homelessness and political corruption and pollution: not enough people like you and me vote to end them because they don't care.

Make them care.

Make it PAINFUL for fat, dumb, selfish conservative and moderate suburbanites to not care and blissfully vote R for low taxes. Bring the pain to them.

I agree (grudgingly) with those who oppose looting and arson as a way of driving up the price tag of political neglect. I have learned from 1/6 that harms more than it hurts. But bankrupting the cities and states that don't reform their death squads? Bring it on! I want every tax payer in every city and state with an uncontrolled police force to be paying 100% of their taxes to legal penalties until they finally learn and stop voting for Nazis.

As far as charging the cops goes, yes, indict them for murder and put them on death row. Absolutely. Give them every chance they gave Floyd.

There was an interesting news story in Minneapolis a week or two ago about this subject.

When the $27 million was paid by Minneapolis to George Floyd's family, they just basically buried it in their budget. Minneapolis is self-insured, and the City has a huge tax base.

However, Brooklyn Center, where the "I thought it was my taser" shooting occurred, is another matter. Most cities in Minnesota are insured by and defended by the League of Minnesota Cities. In most instances the max insurance offered by the League is $2 million, and that's what Brooklyn Center has.

Everything more than that, to pay any judgment or settlement, will have to come directly from the City. Brooklyn Center's total tax levy is something like $20 million.

But there is another hitch. Brooklyn Center is one of the most diverse suburbs in the Twin Cities. Thus, you kill that city's budget and services, it's basically people of color who are going to take the beating.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

There was an interesting news story in Minneapolis a week or two ago about this subject.

When the $27 million was paid by Minneapolis to George Floyd's family, they just basically buried it in their budget. Minneapolis is self-insured, and the City has a huge tax base.

However, Brooklyn Center, where the "I thought it was my taser" shooting occurred, is another matter. Most cities in Minnesota are insured by and defended by the League of Minnesota Cities. In most instances the max insurance offered by the League is $2 million, and that's what Brooklyn Center has.

Everything more than that, to pay any judgment or settlement, will have to come directly from the City. Brooklyn Center's total tax levy is something like $20 million.

But there is another hitch. Brooklyn Center is one of the most diverse suburbs in the Twin Cities. Thus, you kill that city's budget and services, it's basically people of color who are going to take the beating.

Which is a clear indication that they are under insured. Another failure of government brought on by the starve government crowd.

 

[Kepler]

There was an interesting news story in Minneapolis a week or two ago about this subject.

When the $27 million was paid by Minneapolis to George Floyd's family, they just basically buried it in their budget. Minneapolis is self-insured, and the City has a huge tax base.

However, Brooklyn Center, where the "I thought it was my taser" shooting occurred, is another matter. Most cities in Minnesota are insured by and defended by the League of Minnesota Cities. In most instances the max insurance offered by the League is $2 million, and that's what Brooklyn Center has.

Everything more than that, to pay any judgment or settlement, will have to come directly from the City. Brooklyn Center's total tax levy is something like $20 million.

But there is another hitch. Brooklyn Center is one of the most diverse suburbs in the Twin Cities. Thus, you kill that city's budget and services, it's basically people of color who are going to take the beating.

Does Brooklyn Center control their own police force? Can they clean house?

If so, then the pain is being distributed the right way.

Even if the mayor and the police chief are black Democrats, if they aren't enacting the right policies and penalties then they are little better than the conservative swine for whom law enforcement is a terror tool to subjugate non-whites.

Change is only measured by results, not words or intentions.

Clean up or pay up.

 

[Kepler]

Never say there aren't stiff consequences for cop malfeasance.

A police chief in Cumberland County who promoted his own daughter and offered to promote an officer in exchange for sleeping with the man’s wife and daughter should be demoted to deputy chief, a hearing officer has ruled.

 

[SJHovey]

Does Brooklyn Center control their own police force? Can they clean house?

If so, then the pain is being distributed the right way.

Even if the mayor and the police chief are black Democrats, if they aren't enacting the right policies and penalties then they are little better than the conservative swine for whom law enforcement is a terror tool to subjugate non-whites.

Change is only measured by results, not words or intentions.

Clean up or pay up.

All I'm saying is that if you think a $50 million judgment against Brooklyn Center is going to help, it might have some influence on cities in general who decide "the next one may be us", but for the people of color who make up the vast majority of Brooklyn Center citizens, I suspect they'll see that as a pyrrhic victory.

 

[MichVandal]

All I'm saying is that if you think a $50 million judgment against Brooklyn Center is going to help, it might have some influence on cities in general who decide "the next one may be us", but for the people of color who make up the vast majority of Brooklyn Center citizens, I suspect they'll see that as a pyrrhic victory.

So what do you suggest as an alternative?

 

[Kepler]

All I'm saying is that if you think a $50 million judgment against Brooklyn Center is going to help, it might have some influence on cities in general who decide "the next one may be us", but for the people of color who make up the vast majority of Brooklyn Center citizens, I suspect they'll see that as a pyrrhic victory.

Your concern moves me deeply.

 

[SJHovey]

So what do you suggest as an alternative?

I don't have an alternative. If the family wants to sue Brooklyn Center, my view is have at it. That is our system of remedies. It's all that's available to them. But if people like Kepler think that a bunch of white people are going to take it in the property tax shorts as a result of it, I've got some news for them.

 

[MichVandal]

I don't have an alternative. If the family wants to sue Brooklyn Center, my view is have at it. That is our system of remedies. It's all that's available to them. But if people like Kepler think that a bunch of white people are going to take it in the property tax shorts as a result of it, I've got some news for them.

Instead of just pointing out the problems, how about providing alternatives. That's far more helpful.

Just saying that you can't do something to change things really isn't an option anymore- we are constantly seeing the result of keeping the system as it is.

And for Brooklyn Center, I would wonder if they are being short changed from the state- which is what happens here in MI. Which forces poor towns to basically be run by the state- doing whatever they want.

 

[SJHovey]

Instead of just pointing out the problems, how about providing alternatives. That's far more helpful.

Just saying that you can't do something to change things really isn't an option anymore- we are constantly seeing the result of keeping the system as it is.

And for Brooklyn Center, I would wonder if they are being short changed from the state- which is what happens here in MI. Which forces poor towns to basically be run by the state- doing whatever they want.

Hey, sorry that I didn't solve the complex matrix of city/police/public race and civil liability issues while skimming through posts on a message board. Double sorry for suggesting that Kepler's "sue them into submission" policy might be met with mixed reviews with the defendants are Black communities.

 

[Kepler]

Hey, sorry that I didn't solve the complex matrix of city/police/public race and civil liability issues while skimming through posts on a message board. Double sorry for suggesting that Kepler's "sue them into submission" policy might be met with mixed reviews with the defendants are Black communities.

Don't sweat it. We know exactly how sincere your comments are.

 

[Handyman]

Your concern moves me deeply.

Except he is right...just because you choose to ignore the unintended consequences (because it won't hurt you in any way) doesn't mean they don't exist. You are basically going to screw over a liberal city with a large POC population to own the cops...who actually wont end up owned.

It isn't like BC covered this up...this isn't Chicago. The Mayor was up front about it, the cop resigned and was arrested within days after an independent investigation. The City had reacted solidly, and now you are going to bankrupt them for what will amount to a headline. (obviously not for the family) You want to bankrupt the cops I am all for it...but it isnt the cops who are going to take it in the shorts it is the people of Brooklyn Center. Now all of those POC you supposedly are trying to help are going to be worse off...

If you are ok with that that is fine. If you want to argue the ends justify the means you have the right to say that. But just because something sounds great in theory doesn't mean in the real world it is going to go well...and this for sure won't. That may be hard to see from 1000 miles away but speaking as someone who lives spitting distance from there, has lived there and has spent the vast majority of his life walking distance to there...lets just say it isn't going to go well.

 

[Handyman]

Don't sweat it. We know exactly how sincere your comments are.

You may not think he is sincere...but (and I hate you are making me do this) again he isn't wrong. This is not data in a spreadsheet man these are people and you are about to destroy their community to prove a point you actually won't prove. This is not the situation for a punitive action...most of the people of that city aren't fans of the cops and support BLM and want justice in this case.

This is not an affluent community...this is not one of the upper crust burbs.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Start hitting cops in the pension funds.