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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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I'm a bit behind, but the prosecution just embarrassed Nelson.

Nelson asked a witness whether Floyd said "I ate too many drugs". The witness said it sounded like that.

*15-min break*

Prosecution replays it. Asks the witness whether that was the first time he heard that clip. He confirms it was. Prosecution then asks what Floyd actually said now that he's had a chance to review the clip. "It appears he actually says, "I ain't do no drugs""


Oof. Not a good look.
 
Yeah the reason why I didn't think where the knee was mattered was because anyone who has ever had someone on their back with their weight pressed on them knows what it feels like. Hell my buddy and I used to reenact WWF moves as kids and he almost put me out in a similar position. Honestly it doesn't take much to asphyxiate someone ask a bouncer some time.

uno,

I have heard similar about never wanting to know why jurors find the way they do. (Crim Law prof might have said it...sounds like him) Jurors are people they have just as many stupid opinions and biases as anyone else. I mean look at the reasons the OJ Jury used to justify acquitting him. Everything from "we wanted a Black Man to get off like a White Man" to "Cops are Evil" and so on.

That is kind of why I said what I said about not getting too far int he weeds on stuff. I doubt the jury has many medical experts on it...trying to explain why the knee being 2 inches lower than originally thought matters because [insert medical explanation here] might make them just tune out. Hell I would be listening and I might tune out if I was on the jury. In a case like this it isnt about advanced stats...it is about the eye test.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Nyt says defense today said “I can’t breathe” was a form of resisting arrest
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I think that has been tried before. Hell I think defenses have tried arguing saying "I am not resisting" is in and of itself a form of resisting which is some Qanon level psyoping right there.

10 years from now, no matter how this plays out, it is going to be interesting hearing what this lawyer has to say.
 
I'm still behind. The doctor who literally wrote the book on ventilation and breathing is on the stand. The testimony around noon CDT from the feed has been gutting to watch. He points out all the signs of exactly when Floyd died. It's been a brutal listen.


(It's clear the guy doesn't remotely know how court procedures work and the prosecution should have prepped him better. Not that anyone does, but still.)


Edit: I can't find any record of his Balfour (?) award/lecture from Mayo. I can't find any record of this award only being given out once a decade either...
 
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I'm still behind. The doctor who literally wrote the book on ventilation and breathing is on the stand. The testimony around noon CDT from the feed has been gutting to watch. He points out all the signs of exactly when Floyd died. It's been a brutal listen.


(It's clear the guy doesn't remotely know how court procedures work and the prosecution should have prepped him better. Not that anyone does, but still.)
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If he's being called as an expert witness, which it sounds like he is, he's charging the state $$$$ for his testimony and frankly should know how to handle being in court in the first place.
 
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If he's being called as an expert witness, which it sounds like he is, he's charging the state $$$$ for his testimony and frankly should know how to handle being in court in the first place.
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He's never testified before and is doing this free. :)

Seriously. (Some may think the free part is related to the never part)
 
Sounds like the doctor in the Chauvin Trial just destroyed the idea he died of a heart attack or that his death in any way was sudden. Not an overdose.
 
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I will allow for the fact that we know very little of the facts.


But officers, how did it get to a point where you needed to draw your weapon and fire at someone on a traffic stop that turned into a non-felony warrant arrest? I'll ignore, for the moment (but not for long) the rumor that he was pulled over because he had things dangling from his rear view. Let's pretend for a moment (but again, not for long) that he was speeding or blew a stop sign. You then ran his info and saw the warrant (again, for a non-felony incident).

How badly did you fuck up the situation where you felt the need to draw your firearm and then fire?


No benefit of the doubt here. Even ignoring the (likely true) rumors that the guy sent a text saying he was stopped for such inane reasons, the very few facts that we have look incredibly damning. The police need to be in command of the situation and if you let it devolve to such a dangerous point then you screwed up from the start. And this says nothing about your judgement - or frightening lack thereof - to fire your god damned weapon at someone in this situation.
 
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I will allow for the fact that we know very little of the facts.


But officers, how did it get to a point where you needed to draw your weapon and fire at someone on a traffic stop that turned into a non-felony warrant arrest? I'll ignore, for the moment (but not for long) the rumor that he was pulled over because he had things dangling from his rear view. Let's pretend for a moment (but again, not for long) that he was speeding or blew a stop sign. You then ran his info and saw the warrant (again, for a non-felony incident).

How badly did you fuck up the situation where you felt the need to draw your firearm and then fire?


No benefit of the doubt here. Even ignoring the (likely true) rumors that the guy sent a text saying he was stopped for such inane reasons, the very few facts that we have look incredibly damning.
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One article I read said dangling air fresheners are a pretext cops use for profiling. Everybody has them but cops pull over blacks for special treatment, like Stop & Frisk. The same article said the outstanding warrant is non-felony.

Maybe the lady who killed him just hated Chauvin, because there is no way on God's green earth he is going to get off, now. If I were the defense I would be arguing this creates an environment in which it is impossible for him to get a fair trial. Can you do that?
 
Jesus I just saw the twitter link.


Let's pretend, again for just a moment, that what they said is true that Officer Goddamned Moron thought she was tazing him instead of shooting him. This answers none of my questions about what created the situation, but it now points to the problem possibly being staggering fucking incompetence that led to a death.
 
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