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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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SJHovey said:
So you think that if you have a big group of unionized employees working for you that you don't like, and you really don't like their union agent, that you can just magically wave your hand and tell them they are all fired and you get to go out and hire a brand new group of people to come in and perform some or all of the same duties and they're not in the union anymore and they're not represented by the union agent you don't like, and all is good? That's how you think labor law works?

I think there are a lot of employers out there that will be really curious to see if you're right.

If the City of Minneapolis just decides to disband its police force and farm it out to someone else to do (after they amend their Charter) they can do that. They'll have to negotiate the effects of that with the cops, but it can be done.

However, if the City of Minneapolis decides to keep operating a police force, just not the current police force, and they think they're just going to let go all the current cops and face no recourse, my response to them is good luck. The City will find themselves with a newly named law enforcement group made up of the same cops who are in the current group. But hey, it'll have a new name.

Everyone's darling is Camden, NJ. That's probably the first, and almost certainly the last, anyone will ever write that. Camden dissolved their police force and magically turned their city into utopia.

But what really happened in Camden?

Camden had something like 220 cops. They were dirty (it's New Jersey, so I shouldn't have to type that, but I did.)

According to current urban legend, they fired all the old cops and hired all new cops and solved all their problems. What really happened is that Camden fired their 220 cops and told them they'd have to reapply for their jobs with the newly named county department. Something like 155 of them did, and were immediately rehired. About 65 chose not to apply for the new force, for reasons that aren't clear to me.

Camden then went out and doubled the size of the new force bringing it up to more than 400 officers.

So yeah, they ended up with 400 cops, 250 of them were brand new and were presumably not corrupt (I only say presumably because, New Jersey). But did they do that by really getting rid of the old force and hiring a new force? Not really. 70% of the old force came to work for the new force, and who knows, if the rest had chosen to apply that percentage might have been even higher. The way they got a new force, essentially, was by doubling the size of the force itself.

We all know, based upon conversations everyone had with Rube, that adding more cops is not the answer, although apparently in the utopia known as Camden, NJ, it is.

Is that your plan for Minneapolis?
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No I think they will be sued to high heaven for breach of contract. (depending on the wording of said contract) That wont matter though because if the city does not authorize the officers they are just rent a cops anyways. The badge only carries weight if it is sanctioned by the city and they arent going to do that even during arbitration after they dissolve everything. (and I dont see a court approving an injunction because the police are being investigated for civil rights issues anyways)

It is going to be a mess...that is why I said it is going to be a slow moving process. As a pro-union guy I hate the idea of breaking the union in theory but the only way anything changes (even without defunding) is for the union to be slapped back a bit. They have way too much power. The Strib did a series of articles back in I think 2017 about how hard it is to keep cops off the force even when they are convicted of crimes. It is insane. The police are unchecked and have been forever. That is how the 3rd precinct became the disaster that it was.

And what urban legend are you talking about with Camden? Literally every story ever written about them is how they fired everyone and then allowed officers to re-apply. You are either ignoring it or are spending way too much time talking your friends on Siouxsports. Compton did it too btw.

I have zero problem with cops re-applying...it is much harder to get a job than it is to keep it. Let their record speak for itself.
 
DisplacedCornellian said:
Sometimes, the internet works. Moron tells Tom Morello he used to be a fan until Morello's political opinions came out...internet (and Morello) respond as can be expected.

https://news.avclub.com/man-criticiz...-po-1843979630
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Was it one of the NAPALM dudes that had a meltdown here when they finally figured out what Springsteen was singing about all these years? Might be another board but I know that happened somewhere and it was glorious.
 
After 35 years in labor relations it has always been my observation that arbitrators are 50/50 people. They know if they tend to favor management too much, the union will not select them (or seek to remove them from permanent panels if that is part of dispute resolution procedures) and vice versa, if they find in favor of the union, the boss will bypass that name. When selecting arbitrators I would look at the roster I was presented (often 7 names) and research them (their biography, schooling, previous employers and to the extent possible the history of their rulings). If one was at the bottom of my list, that name was almost certain to be at the top of the employers. Very rarely did an employer strike a name that was going to be my 1st or second strike on a list.
 
Handyman said:
I used to like the Blues...until it started to get all depressing. I listen to music to be happy.
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I hate the blues because it's black music. So I stick to rap.

My god, those Comments. The Cypress Hill one made me wet myself. The dishwasher put me over the edge.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
After 35 years in labor relations it has always been my observation that arbitrators are 50/50 people. They know if they tend to favor management too much, the union will not select them (or seek to remove them from permanent panels if that is part of dispute resolution procedures) and vice versa, if they find in favor of the union, the boss will bypass that name. When selecting arbitrators I would look at the roster I was presented (often 7 names) and research them (their biography, schooling, previous employers and to the extent possible the history of their rulings). If one was at the bottom of my list, that name was almost certain to be at the top of the employers. Very rarely did an employer strike a name that was going to be my 1st or second strike on a list.
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So. Jurors.
 
Kepler said:
lol
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https://media1.tenor.com/images/7aec3e88713a09fcd8f0ed77d28f2023/tenor.gif?itemid=12093664

It truly boggles my mind how anyone can see a $6 billion policing budget in ONE city alone - which is more than we spend on health, youth, housing, and homelessness services here *combined* - and say, “You know what will fix police brutality? More money”
-AOC
 
Kepler said:
I hate the blues because it's black music. So I stick to rap.

My god, those Comments. The Cypress Hill one made me wet myself. The dishwasher put me over the edge.
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When they all get old enough they can join in with the folks who want the government to keep its hands off their Medicare and social security....
 
Kepler said:
lol
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NASCAR's appeal has cratered very deeply. This might literally kill them. If there were going to be fans in the stands or infields right now there is no way they'd try this. Just like there is no way Bubba Wallace would be running a car in Black Lives Matter livery if there were going to be fans in the stands. They throw empties on the track if the wrong driver wins. If that car circled around in front of what is left of their fanbase I doubt they'd wait until their empties were empty. They'd throw full cans of Bud at it.
 
French Rage said:
What will they cover themselves with when they're deep-dicking their cousin in the infield?
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Their Dale Earnhardt flags.


Also, I was amused by this line in the article:
“The presence of the confederate flag at NASCAR events runs contrary to our commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for all fans, our competitors and our industry,”
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Thats real rich coming from the same sanctioning body who gave absolutely zero sh**s about homophobia for the better part of 20 years with Jeff Gordon and the DuPont rainbow paint scheme.
 
If you were wondering how utterly useless the NYT is, trending tonight is "Paw Patrol" because they saw sarcastic tweets and thought that meant what was next on the list after COPS and Live PD
 
If you read Republican tweets Jay Inslee is a radical left governor who let Seattle fall to terrorists (that Trump is threatening to stop...the guy loves to double up on his stupid mistakes) and apparently tearing down statues of racists, murders and slave traders makes the Left the American Taliban according to the Zodiac Killer. I am not even sure Chuck Murray and Jeb2020 are stupid enough to buy that shite.
 
Handyman said:
If you read Republican tweets Jay Inslee is a radical left governor who let Seattle fall to terrorists (that Trump is threatening to stop...the guy loves to double up on his stupid mistakes) and apparently tearing down statues of racists, murders and slave traders makes the Left the American Taliban according to the Zodiac Killer. I am not even sure Chuck Murray and Jeb2020 are stupid enough to buy that ****e.
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Tearing down those statues is rewriting history...despite the fact that I learned all about the Civil War and the Confederacy in Minneota without ever seeing them. And Great Britain is part of our history too, and you don't see New Englanders pasting the Union Jack all over the place.
 
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