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Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

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Brenthoven said:
And in the past, the evidence was most likely influenced (to put it politely). Now, with body cams, phone videos, etc...not as likely at all. Nowadays, if a cop pulls someone over, or interacts with a person, they have a sh*load of people making videos of them.

Again, to ask for the evidence, and then say it needn't be watched, is pure bullsh*.
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And for the evidence to be watched, clearly show a cop murdering someone, and still not make a difference is also pure bull5hit. When it happens repeatedly, it probably makes you think, F it, won't make a difference anyhow.
 
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jerphisch said:
And for the evidence to be watched, clearly show a cop murdering someone, and still not make a difference is also pure bull5hit. When it happens repeatedly, it probably makes you think, F it, won't make a difference anyhow.
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I guess sitting in the back of the bus won't make a difference anyhow.

That is what you sound like.
 
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Brent, there was the one case where the cops were calling out a kid from his hotel room and he flinched while lying on his god**** stomach while his stressed and weakened arms were trying to support his body while being screamed at to, COMPLY and what not and shot to **** and the video without question said the cops were wrong.

She said this after the videos were released.
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Why do you continue this retort without acknowledging the real world in which she lives? I've already said it would be better for her to let the evidence speak, but to dismiss her pain, anger, distrust and denial despite the history and environment in which she (or anyone else in her shoes) lived her life compounds the problem and YOU (figuratively) are responsible.
 
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She also dismisses the real world of police, because she won't watch video evidence that was released. She believes in the truth she views. Nothing else. Won't accept anything else. That is just as bad as falsifying truths and prejudice. Why can't you admit that? (Respectfully, and you know I mean that).

Don't judge a majority on the actions of a minority. This goes ALL ways. ALL ways. I have never wavered from that, nor will I waver from that.
 
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I have freaking said at least (estimated) 4 EFFING TIMES including now that she is wrong to dismiss the video without watching it while you have continued to refuse to acknowledge there's a DEEP DEEP DEEP history of events that have made her opinion rightfully jaded. Don't call me out for not doing something that I HAVE while you have not man.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I have freaking said at least (estimated) 4 EFFING TIMES including now that she is wrong to dismiss the video without watching it while you have continued to refuse to acknowledge there's a DEEP DEEP DEEP history of events that have made her opinion rightfully jaded. Don't call me out for not doing something that I HAVE while you have not man.
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I have said that I understand the past injustices. I have known people that have gone through it. But that's not what you want to hear, I guess. *shrug* I give up.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I have said that I understand the past injustices. I have known people that have gone through it. But that's not what you want to hear, I guess. *shrug* I give up.
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I've not heard it in this very discussion, Brent. I've not heard you acknowledge her jaded perspective has context - all I've heard is she's wrong, wrong wrong. And no buddy it's absolutely what I want hear my man. I'm not your enemy.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I've not heard it in this very discussion, Brent. I've not heard you acknowledge her jaded perspective has context - all I've heard is she's wrong, wrong wrong. And no buddy it's absolutely what I want hear my man. I'm not your enemy.
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We cool. And in THIS particular instance, she has done nothing to convince me she's given the situation a fair chance. That is what bothers me. Yes, I feel for her, yes, it sucks she's lost someone, yes, there is bias amongst cops...

However, she is not even considering the possibility of "hey, the cops were right." That is what bothers me.
 
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It bothers me too but I feel her pain and I understand why she personally hasn't yet given the whole thing a fair shake. That's what I'm saying. Right or wrong there's context to her choosing "wrong". When many of us begin to recognize that, and begin to use it in how we approach strangers whether we be in the grocery line at the store or a cop responding to a call - having empathy for fellow HUMAN beings and for fellow AMERICANS carries weight, meaning and power.
 
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Slap Shot said:
It bothers me too but I feel her pain and I understand why she personally hasn't yet given the whole thing a fair shake. That's what I'm saying. Right or wrong there's context to her choosing "wrong". When many of us begin to recognize that, and begin to use it in how we approach strangers whether we be in the grocery line at the store or a cop responding to a call - having empathy for fellow HUMAN beings and for fellow AMERICANS carries weight, meaning and power.
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The recent LeSean McCoy incident...I was FRY HIM.....wait a minute...okay, depending on evidence, maybe only slightly fry him. She's sticking to her guns. The infamous Duke case, or the Rolling Stone Frat Rape story....we've turned from innocent until proven guilty into the opposite. The public is the jury now, and I don't like it.
 
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The recent LeSean McCoy incident...I was FRY HIM.....wait a minute...okay, depending on evidence, maybe only slightly fry him. She's sticking to her guns. The infamous Duke case, or the Rolling Stone Frat Rape story....we've turned from innocent until proven guilty into the opposite. The public is the jury now, and I don't like it.
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I would agree and to your point...i also can't stand people who...when shown the evidence...refuse to believe it or somehow think that evidence is doctored because it doesn't fit their narrative of what they believe happened. That's become a big problem for me.
I agree with you on the issue of screaming for evidence then complaining when it is given or refuse to believe it because it doesn't fit their opinion of what happened.
 
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First Time said:
I would agree and to your point...i also can't stand people who...when shown the evidence...refuse to believe it or somehow think that evidence is doctored because it doesn't fit their narrative of what they believe happened. That's become a big problem for me.
I agree with you on the issue of screaming for evidence then complaining when it is given or refuse to believe it because it doesn't fit their opinion of what happened.
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For me, that is the issue here in this latest MPLS case.
 
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Brenthoven said:
The recent LeSean McCoy incident...I was FRY HIM.....wait a minute...okay, depending on evidence, maybe only slightly fry him. She's sticking to her guns. The infamous Duke case, or the Rolling Stone Frat Rape story....we've turned from innocent until proven guilty into the opposite. The public is the jury now, and I don't like it.
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Innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard. We as citizens dont have to abide by that outside of a court of law and the continued use of that by people to defend the indefensible is ludicrous. I can believe a person is guilty without it needing to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, or even a preponderance of the evidence that is my right as a human being and an American. Unless I am on a jury your whole point is immaterial.

You can choose whatever standard you like, but dont pretend we all have to have the same standards you do. How many athletes have been accused of horrific stuff but nothing happens to them legally? (like say Reggie Lynch at the U) Sorry I am not going to pretend to think he didnt do it just because there isnt enough evidence to convict him. The law can say he is innocent, but I can also say I think he did it.
 
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Handyman said:
Innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard. We as citizens dont have to abide by that outside of a court of law and the continued use of that by people to defend the indefensible is ludicrous. I can believe a person is guilty without it needing to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, or even a preponderance of the evidence that is my right as a human being and an American. Unless I am on a jury your whole point is immaterial.

You can choose whatever standard you like, but dont pretend we all have to have the same standards you do. How many athletes have been accused of horrific stuff but nothing happens to them legally? (like say Reggie Lynch at the U) Sorry I am not going to pretend to think he didnt do it just because there isnt enough evidence to convict him. The law can say he is innocent, but I can also say I think he did it.
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Pretty sure you read the articles about things like this, though. You take into account what evidence there is, etc. You don't just read a headline "X is accused of raping Y" (for example) and simply say, "Yep, X is guilty. Not going to bother with anything else."
 
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And that works in a logical time and place when the mind isn't being exponentially warped by not only a traumatic event but also by a history of of suffering unfavorable outcomes at an unfair rate. Fool me once...
 
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