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Cops 5: Barney Fife, Now in Real Life!

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Law enforcement has a very tough job and I admire them quite a bit. But too often, racial prejudice occurs.

See '13th' on Netflix. Its the amendment that abolished slavery...but the doc is about how minorities have been treated unfairly to terribly by law enforcement over the years.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Law enforcement has a very tough job and I admire them quite a bit. But too often, racial prejudice occurs.

See '13th' on Netflix. Its the amendment that abolished slavery...but the doc is about how minorities have been treated unfairly to terribly by law enforcement over the years.
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13th is quite good.
 
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Maybe because of him running and yelling please don't shoot me, nah, couldn't be.
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Then listen to the cops and their instructions. He brandished a gun. Cops just didn't happen to be there, they were responding to (at least one) a 911 call about a man shooting a gun. If he had stopped and dropped, I think in this case, he'd be in jail, not dead.

Watch the video. It's clear cut.
 
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jerphisch said:
Based on what?!?!? Drunk black man with a gun, he was dead as soon as they showed up.
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Of course, what was I thinking? That is as obvious as the sun rising in the east, and gravity being a fact. :rolleyes:
 
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Sorry but that’s a really sh-tty excuse when you’re clearly brandishing a gun and it’s pointed at a cop.
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At no point was it ever pointed at the cops in the video I've seen.

I guess the only thing I'll say about this is the cops did a really **** job of deescalating the situation. They literally jump out of their cars with weapons drawn and just start sprinting towards a guy who is likely very drunk and has a gun on him. Why exactly is that the best course of action here?
 
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jerphisch said:
Maybe because of him running and yelling please don't shoot me, nah, couldn't be.
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Unless it's suicide by cop, since when does an armed, fleeing suspect yell at the police to shoot him?
 
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trixR4kids said:
At no point was it ever pointed at the cops in the video I've seen.

I guess the only thing I'll say about this is the cops did a really **** job of deescalating the situation. They literally jump out of their cars with weapons drawn and just start sprinting towards a guy who is likely very drunk and has a gun on him. Why exactly is that the best course of action here?
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Reports of a drunk man shooting his pistol? Let's just casually stroll up to the house in North Minneapolis; yeah, that's a solid plan to stay alive.
 
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St. Clown said:
Reports of a drunk man shooting his pistol? Let's just casually stroll up to the house in North Minneapolis; yeah, that's a solid plan to stay alive.
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The initial report was correct so bring a bunch of squad cars and surround him and tell him to drop the weapon over the loudspeaker.

I certainly don't think this was nearly as bad as what happened in the Philando case or some of the others but it just seems like the cops escalated the situation into a deadly one.
 
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trixR4kids said:
The initial report was correct so bring a bunch of squad cars and surround him and tell him to drop the weapon over the loudspeaker.

I certainly don't think this was nearly as bad as what happened in the Philando case or some of the others but it just seems like the cops escalated the situation into a deadly one.
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In order to show up to a house with overwhelming force every time there's a drunk with a firearm, do you have any idea how many more officers the MPD would have to hire? Who's willing to pay for that? Of course, they could just all out the Hennepin County SWAT for every little call like that, that'd be a solid use of resources.

Take a moment to look at a MPD blotter on any given night - especially in the summer. A city of this size, their officers are constantly responding to things, not sitting around like the Barney Fife namesake of this article. Resources are thin, and they respond as best they can. Usually a drunk with a gun will surrender quietly when confronted by police. We only hear about the ones that make the news. This is an unfortunate incident where the police took the correct actions, and just so happened at a really bad time for them, politically.
 
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jerphisch said:
Based on what?!?!? Drunk black man with a gun, he was dead as soon as they showed up.
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Sorry but no. The cops were not in the wrong in this case. He had a weapon, he brandished it and he ran. End of flipping story.
 
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trixR4kids said:
The initial report was correct so bring a bunch of squad cars and surround him and tell him to drop the weapon over the loudspeaker.

I certainly don't think this was nearly as bad as what happened in the Philando case or some of the others but it just seems like the cops escalated the situation into a deadly one.
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This is a joke right? You want the police to waste resources on a drunk guy with a gun in the hopes he settles down? That isnt how de-escalation works and even if it was that is the most ridiculously inefficient way to handle the situation I have ever heard.

But lets say they did that...the same people who are complaining now would be complaining about how it was "overkill" to send that many cops and how that only made the situation worse and how they need to (and here is the ironic part) send loss cops in opes of de-escalating the situation.

I am not cop defender, but this is not the case to die on the mountain for.
 
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IDK what the best solution is but running at a drunk guy with your gun drawn didn't exactly deescalate the situation either and ended up with the suspect being shot and killed (and possibly could've ended up with the officers being wounded or injured had it gone differently). And nobody said anything about a SWAT team or whatever the **** you guys are talking about, even if you can only spare only one squad car for calls like this I don't see why they can just start by using the loudspeaker from a distance to see if you can get the guy to drop the weapon first. The guy was just sitting on the curb talking to someone as far as I can tell until they started running at him.

I agree this isn't nearly as egregious as the worse cop shootings we've seen (Philando) and the suspect bears plenty of blame here for his actions prior to the cops showing up but I'm not convinced there weren't better ways to handle this either. Do you think the Tamir Rice shooting or the one involving the guy with a BB gun in Walmart were justified as well? Because those were similar calls of armed suspects (at least that's what the cops were told) in which the suspect was holding what appeared to be a gun and they were subsequently ambushed and shot. In this case the officers did show some restraint and didn't shoot the guy until he reached toward the weapon so some credit where it's due.
 
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IDK what the best solution is but running at a drunk guy with your gun drawn didn't exactly deescalate the situation either and ended up with the suspect being shot and killed (and possibly could've ended up with the officers being wounded or injured had it gone differently). And nobody said anything about a SWAT team or whatever the **** you guys are talking about, even if you can only spare only one squad car for calls like this I don't see why they can just start by using the loudspeaker from a distance to see if you can get the guy to drop the weapon first. The guy was just sitting on the curb talking to someone as far as I can tell until they started running at him.

I agree this isn't nearly as egregious as the worse cop shootings we've seen (Philando) and the suspect bears plenty of blame here for his actions prior to the cops showing up but I'm not convinced there weren't better ways to handle this either. Do you think the Tamir Rice shooting or the one involving the guy with a BB gun in Walmart were justified as well? Because those were similar calls of armed suspects (at least that's what the cops were told) in which the suspect was holding what appeared to be a gun and they were subsequently ambushed and shot. In this case the officers did show some restraint and didn't shoot the guy until he reached toward the weapon so some credit where it's due.
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If you can't see the difference between those situations and this one then I'm not sure what to tell you.

I'm not exactly Mr. Defender when it comes to cops and I am on their side that should tell you something.
 
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No situation is going to be exactly the same but there were enough similarities to compare.
 
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trixR4kids said:
No situation is going to be exactly the same but there were enough similarities to compare.
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Yeah, no. The only similarities were it was a black man with a gun.

Castile was in a car, calm, wasn't reported as firing the gun, wasn't reported as being drunk, didn't run, and didn't pull his gun.
This guy did all of that exactly opposite.
 
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