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Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

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And this is why I have basically ignored the Standing Rock situation...I don't know whats the truth and I don't have the time or energy to dig into it and figure it out. My facebook wall is full of people posting their opinions and to be honest, I'm sick of most of them.
 
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SJHovey said:
I've got to disagree with you Handy. I think that all things considered, the Morton County Sheriff's department hasn't handled this too bad. When you take into consideration the fact that someone blew up some sort of explosive device, that at least one protester fired three shots with a .38 handgun, and given the number of protesters, the heated nature of the protest and the length of time that it's gone on, there is no evidence that a sheriff's department deputy ever fired a shot or beat up a protester or anything of that nature. Beyond the spraying of water cannons to soak the crowd, they really haven't done anything to these people other than arrest those they thought violated the law or try to keep order.
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Thats cool...difference of opinions are cool by me. Even if you do cheer for a cruddy team ;) :p
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
Ok, let's see some proof of wrongdoing by the sheriff's department.
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You mean besides the video we have of them macing people? Or the concussion grenades and tear gas? How about shooting water cannons in below freezing temps causing hypothermia?

And before you start to say it is all lies Here is The Snopes Article About It. Watch the videos...

But other than all the actual evidence...I guess there isnt any evidence.

Now maybe you agree with those tactics and that is a different argument...but lets not pretend the Sheriff's were just standing around picking their noses while the Big Bad Redskins got all hopped on Fire Water and went a Scalpin mmmkay?
 
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Handyman said:
You mean besides the video we have of them macing people? Or the concussion grenades and tear gas? How about shooting water cannons in below freezing temps causing hypothermia?

And before you start to say it is all lies, Here is The Snopes Ar...
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Snopes = Fake Fact-Checkers! All those videos were staged!1!11!! :D
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Snopes = Fake Fact-Checkers! All those videos were staged!1!11!! :D
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Breaking News From Breitbart: Video showing protesters attacked actually filmed on soundstage in Burbank. Insider reports same tech used to fake Moon Landing used here! When reached for comment Flagdude was heard to say "I TOLDZ ALL YA SHEEPLE!! OBAMA FAKED IT ALL...".

In a follow up to the story Flaggy was seen being dragged off in a black helicopter headed in the direction of the local Wal-Mart...more as it develops!!!1!!!

:D
 
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We're those "water cannons" or fire hoses to put out the vehicle that protesters lit on fire on a bridge on a state highway?

The Morton County Sheriff's Office does not have "concussion grenades". They do have flash-bangs. They admit that much.

There is proof that woman that has the severe arm injury may have been in the process of configuring an IED under a bridge.

And this is about "the water". Imagine a camp of 5000 people with no sanitary services for waste in the flood watershed that will go into the Standing Rock intake in the spring. Yummy.
http://www.inforum.com/opinion/4167...hite-hippies-treating-nodapl-protest-festival

And now Standing Rock Chair Archambeau has asked the protesters to go home.
https://www.sayanythingblog.com/ent...otesters-home-warns-not-commit-acts-violence/

Rob Port is probably the most conservative blogger in ND (and I can't believe I'm giving him any acknowledgement because he hates all North Dakota universities) and is in the pocket of Al "We can beat the NCAA!" Carlson, the loony head of the Rs in the ND House.

Given that reference point, Port's done a pretty good job of documenting events as they've happened. And he's a glutton for punishment on Twitter. :D

Look through all the "North Dakota" articles on Port's site: https://www.sayanythingblog.com/
 
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No they werent. There was no fires when they were spraying the protesters at night. (the fires would be visible)

I assume you didnt watch the video in the link since your concern trolling would be moot if you had. That would be Trump level cognitive dissonance :p (lets just say it answers all your questions and not in ways you will enjoy)

And of course the Tribes want the protesters off the land now...they won the pipeline is being moved there isno need to stay there. Nice reach though :D
 
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Handyman said:
No they werent. There was no fires when they were spraying the protesters at night. (the fires would be visible)

I assume you didnt watch the video in the link since your concern trolling would be moot if you had. That would be Trump level cognitive dissonance :p (lets just say it answers all your questions and not in ways you will enjoy)

And of course the Tribes want the protesters off the land now...they won the pipeline is being moved there isno need to stay there. Nice reach though :D
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Concern trolling? No, that's you. I'm the taxpayer holding the bag on this one. We're at $7 million in costs to the State for this little event.

But, back to the issue: OK, then what the heck is Rob Port claiming here. And, gee, there's the fire ...
https://www.sayanythingblog.com/ent...-400-nodapl-protesters-riot-backwater-bridge/


PS - I have $20 that says Trump approves the existing permit and easement at about 1800 hours on Jan 20. It just seems so ... Trump.

PPS - As with everything that turns political, the truth is somewhere in the middle. The trick is to find it. Port's had the MCSO's side the whole time; Snopes has the #NoDAPL's. Triangulate from there.
 
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Handyman said:
No they werent. There was no fires when they were spraying the protesters at night. (the fires would be visible)

I assume you didnt watch the video in the link since your concern trolling would be moot if you had. That would be Trump level cognitive dissonance :p (lets just say it answers all your questions and not in ways you will enjoy)

And of course the Tribes want the protesters off the land now...they won the pipeline is being moved there isno need to stay there. Nice reach though :D
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I personally think the water soaking was a great response by law enforcement. You have to admit, given what we've seen around this country with how other law enforcement agencies have handled protests, a response that really only involves making it rain on these people in order to get the protesters to "choose" to leave because they are now cold and wet is pretty tame. You can only arrest and release so many people, and given the fact that at least one protester, if not more, resorted to discharging firearms, I think it's pretty good that all the sheriff's department did is give them a good soaking on a night when it was pretty cold out. The sheriff's department kept their powder dry, if not the protesters. :)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
PS - I have $20 that says Trump approves the existing permit and easement at about 1800 hours on Jan 20. It just seems so ... Trump.
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What I find kind of funny is this.

This article has a small map of North Dakota (you have to scroll down a little ways) that includes the pipelines presently in place. Click on the "view bigger map" button to get a full flavor of the existing pipelines in North Dakota.

Then superimpose a map of the state that shows the current location of Native American tribes and their land in North Dakota, and the location of the Missouri River and the lakes created by various dams.

You will see there are, by my count, at least three existing oil pipelines located on the Fort Berthold tribal land, and who knows how many crossing the Missouri River, which is the exact same river they seek to cross south of Mandan near the Standing Rock tribal land.

I guess it's only "sacred ground" when they are not pumping oil out of it or creating jobs on your land with that oil.
 
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SJHovey said:
What I find kind of funny is this.

This article has a small map of North Dakota (you have to scroll down a little ways) that includes the pipelines presently in place. Click on the "view bigger map" button to get a full flavor of the existing pipelines in North Dakota.

Then superimpose a map of the state that shows the current location of Native American tribes and their land in North Dakota, and the location of the Missouri River and the lakes created by various dams.

You will see there are, by my count, at least three existing oil pipelines located on the Fort Berthold tribal land, and who knows how many crossing the Missouri River, which is the exact same river they seek to cross south of Mandan near the Standing Rock tribal land.
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The Northern Border (gas) pipeline has been there since the 1980s (map link above). And there's already a high voltage transmission line in that same easement. That existing easement path is what was approved for DAPL. Yes, they put DAPL in the existing energy easement.

Better?
The DAPL already crosses the Missouri River north of the Spirit Lake intake, and north of Bismarck, about 12 miles above the water intake for Williston, ND.
See P2 of 5 here: http://www.energytransfer.com/documents/DAPL_States_Counties.pdf
 
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Oh, now facts matter?

Clearly these people understand something about the pipeline that you just don't get.
 
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