Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

That "national BAC" was brought about through highway funds being withheld by the Feds if states didn't change their DUI laws to that .08 standard.

As to a national speed limit, we don't technically have one anymore but MT had to set an actual limit, which it abolished after 1995, because a case ended up in the courts and MT implemented a de facto limit but called it a 'waste of fuel' fine instead.

I thought the Montana case was in 1999? The NMSL for 55 unless grandfathered lower (NY had to raise it from 50 to 55) began in 1974 (again, holding the states hostage through highway funds), in 1987 allowed 65 on interstate-designated highways only (which is why there are a whole bunch of interstates you wonder why they're interstates when the previous name was just fine), and then finally repealed in 1995.

The feds also hold states hostage with the alcohol age, thanks to the federalist Reagan. I'm sure it's also the same with open container, seat belts, and the list goes on.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

I'm sure it's also the same with open container, seat belts, and the list goes on.

Those two items are definitely decided at the state and local, not the federal, level.

The list of direct federal statutes penning in states is really not that long. Also, in many (probably most) cases state legislatures and governors are delighted to use the federal government to pass the buck for unpopular laws and regulations. Complaints about "federal overreach" are incredibly hypocritical when they come from state officials who would otherwise have to present their voters with difficult choices. It is analogous to Congress whining about the "Imperial Presidency" while refusing to do their jobs, thus forcing the need for executive actions to keep things running.

The "federal tyranny" game is just another racket.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Those two items are definitely decided at the state and local, not the federal, level.

There are places, states, that have different open container laws. I believe in Montana you can have open containers, as long as there is 1 fewer container than people in the car, because the driver cannot have an open container.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

I believe in Montana you can have open containers, as long as there is 1 fewer container than people in the car, because the driver cannot have an open container.

That is one of the most funny and cynical laws I've ever heard.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

There are places, states, that have different open container laws. I believe in Montana you can have open containers, as long as there is 1 fewer container than people in the car, because the driver cannot have an open container.

There is at least one state (WY) that (at least in 1999-2000) had drive-up windows at liquor stores. I have been told that there is another though I can't recall which one it was.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

There is at least one state (WY) that (at least in 1999-2000) had drive-up windows at liquor stores. I have been told that there is another though I can't recall which one it was.

Illinois has (had?) them. My buddy's grandparents owned such a place. When the Frozen Four was in St. Louis, we stopped in for a beer.

 

[Jimjamesak]

There are places, states, that have different open container laws. I believe in Montana you can have open containers, as long as there is 1 fewer container than people in the car, because the driver cannot have an open container.

In Alaska, if you sell alcohol, you can't have anyone under 21 in that area. We have to have separate liquor stores, even for beer and wine, and sports arenas have to have separate sections with ID check access points.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

There is at least one state (WY) that (at least in 1999-2000) had drive-up windows at liquor stores. I have been told that there is another though I can't recall which one it was.

AZ had them; Dr. Mrs. grew up with them.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

In Alaska, if you sell alcohol, you can't have anyone under 21 in that area. We have to have separate liquor stores, even for beer and wine, and sports arenas have to have separate sections with ID check access points.

With regards to liquor stores, we have the same thing here. Yes, real beer and wine can only be found in those too - or buying from a bar, which is stupid expensive. The arena policy there is more strict than we have here, though.

 

[SonofSouthie]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

There is at least one state (WY) that (at least in 1999-2000) had drive-up windows at liquor stores. I have been told that there is another though I can't recall which one it was.

New Mexico did back in the mid to late 80's when we lived there.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Those two items are definitely decided at the state and local, not the federal, level.

The list of direct federal statutes penning in states is really not that long. Also, in many (probably most) cases state legislatures and governors are delighted to use the federal government to pass the buck for unpopular laws and regulations. Complaints about "federal overreach" are incredibly hypocritical when they come from state officials who would otherwise have to present their voters with difficult choices. It is analogous to Congress whining about the "Imperial Presidency" while refusing to do their jobs, thus forcing the need for executive actions to keep things running.

The "federal tyranny" game is just another racket.

Well obviously the law is "state" because of the 10th amendment. However, the federal government found a loophole in redefining the "interstate commerce clause" to deny funding if their agenda is not appeased. Obviously you're trying to dismiss it because you want a huge nanny state with a large overbearing federal government telling you how to live your life.

And may I remind you, activist judges tried to use ICC to defend the PPACA.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Baltimore cops 6 DA 0. All charges dropped.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-ca...ng&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

FARK said it best:

Great news everyone: it appears that NO ONE was responsible for killing Freddie Gray. He apparently just ended up dead in the back of a police van with a broken neck completely by magic

 

[Handyman]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Well it WAS a bumpy ride

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

In Alaska, if you sell alcohol, you can't have anyone under 21 in that area. We have to have separate liquor stores, even for beer and wine, and sports arenas have to have separate sections with ID check access points.

What about going to like an Applebees, or a better example for Alaska, Moose's Tooth? You can buy a beer and have pizza, and I'm sure I remember there being kids in the same spaces.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Well it WAS a bumpy ride

They should bring charges against Baltimore Public Works for not fixing potholes that caused such a bumpy ride.

 

[Jimjamesak]

What about going to like an Applebees, or a better example for Alaska, Moose's Tooth? You can buy a beer and have pizza, and I'm sure I remember there being kids in the same spaces.

True, AFAIK restaurants are the only exception to this. Even then, in Alaska they ID everybody on alcohol purchases no matter how old you look.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

True, AFAIK restaurants are the only exception to this. Even then, in Alaska they ID everybody on alcohol purchases no matter how old you look.

But do they also ID everyone in a group?

 

[aparch]

Do we have a national maximum speed limit that pertains to state highways?

No.


There was a National Maximum Speed Limit that was enacted in the 70's due to the oil crisis, but it was repealed in 1995 (Thanks, Clinton ) States could have opted out of the NMSL, but would have run the risk of not receiving any Federal money for maintenance or new projects.

 

[aparch]

I thought the Montana case was in 1999? The NMSL for 55 unless grandfathered lower (NY had to raise it from 50 to 55) began in 1974 (again, holding the states hostage through highway funds), in 1987 allowed 65 on interstate-designated highways only (which is why there are a whole bunch of interstates you wonder why they're interstates when the previous name was just fine), and then finally repealed in 1995.

And that's what I get for getting caught up on old threads late in the work day, Flag said what I did hours earlier.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

No.


There was a National Maximum Speed Limit that was enacted in the 70's due to the oil crisis, but it was repealed in 1995 (Thanks, Clinton ) States could have opted out of the NMSL, but would have run the risk of not receiving any Federal money for maintenance or new projects.

And a couple of the western states, such as Nevada, did try that.

I was actually surprised as to how many people thought the NMSL was still in place, especially in this state, where rural interstates are still at 65.